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Author Topic: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON  (Read 34274 times)

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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
« Reply #50 on: May 15, 2019, 08:07:17 AM »
Meg, you nailed it. Only a Plinio-worshipping ...

All of your comments regarding TFP are to be summarily ignored until you come clean and explain why you have such a big ax to grind against them.

It's one thing to say that +Lefebvre was a Freemason and another to suggest that he made some decisions based on pressure from people who were themselves Freemasons ... e.g., the benefactors of +Fellay or, say, from Father Schmidberger (and others).

Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #51 on: May 15, 2019, 08:08:30 AM »
Lol, he may be many things, but he definitely not a Freemason.

You'll excuse us if we don't put a lot of stock in a gratuitous assertion made by someone with a Masonic screen name.


Offline Ladislaus

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« Reply #52 on: May 15, 2019, 08:10:14 AM »
So, it seems clear, Bp. Fellay is a freemason.

We can say this because of his docuмented lies and MO for secret meetings, his associations with jews and his acceptance of
large sums of their monies, as attested to by the SSPX zionist attorney, Max Krah.

Well, he could be under Masonic control without actually being a Mason himself.

Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
« Reply #53 on: May 15, 2019, 09:27:42 AM »
You'll excuse us if we don't put a lot of stock in a gratuitous assertion made by someone with a Masonic screen name.
I've never denied being one when asked.  Heck, I think I openly admitted it during the flat earth debates a year or two ago. I'm just stating that admonishing a man for his faults is one thing, but connecting imaginary dots and declaring him to be not Catholic anymore is something else entirely.  The Church has made it quite clear.  If you are a mason, then you are excommunicated.  You are outside the Church.  I free acknowledge this. 
This is the question.

The accusers take things way to far.  Its not enough to condemn Bishop Fellay's actions.  There must be a plot behind it so devious that it would invalidate all of his sacraments. In this thread we have seen not only Bishop Fellay being maligned and accused of being a freemason, but also the Archbishop's character, intentions and influence in creating the SSPX were maligned.  You are so concerned about freemasons destroying what's left of Church that you are actively tearing yourselves apart.
When someone joins a lodge, they sign the bi-law of the lodge.  None of these records are secret.  It would be rather difficult to attend the meetings anonymously.  It would be noticed if the bishop was always somewhere on the first and third Tuesdays at 7pm.  There would be a money trail with his dues card that shows he is in good standing with that lodge.  Even if none of that matters, his values are not masonic.  I personally don't believe he would be accepted because of who he is, let alone his beliefs.
Fr. Hewko years ago accused the SSPX of being masonic for having closed door meetings.  Equally ridiculous, I've even seen that Bishop Williamson was accused of being a Rosicrucianism on some website years ago.  Now it's bishop Fellay and the questioning of the Archbishop's intentions.  I just find it nonsense.  Its a zero sum game when you play it this way.  Someone does something wrong (the bishop actively compromising with the conciliar Church) and people cast doubt on his sacraments?  Example, A convert to the old SSPX gets conditionally reconfirmed by Bishop Fellay years ago...are you going to recommend that anyone who receive confirmation again through Bishop Williamson?  I actually wonder what Bishop Williamson would say if someone approached him with that concern.  I just wanted to say that Bishop Fellay is not a freemason.  I'm done.

Offline Matthew

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Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
« Reply #54 on: May 15, 2019, 09:37:07 AM »
Incred,

You never rebutted my slam-dunk argument.

What evidence do you have that +Fellay is a Freemason at all? Because he welcomed/formed/supports Max Krah, destroyed the SSPX, etc.? The long list of problems with Bishop Fellay does make you wonder. UNTIL YOU CONSIDER that those problems apply equally to about 1/3 of the priests in the SSPX.

Remember, in Catholic morality there are 9 ways to commit a sin. Committing an act personally is only one of the ways.

The other two bishops bear almost as much responsibility as +Fellay for anything he has done -- due to their silence, consent, assistance, etc.

When a crew robs a bank, the ringleader isn't the only one who goes to jail! Those who conspired with him, worked with him, helped him, etc. will also go to jail. And for good reason!

Explaining +Fellay's actions away as "well, he's a card-carrying Freemason!" causes more problems than it solves. So what about his two accomplice Bishops who did little/nothing -- at least nothing effective -- despite their stature and fame? Just look at what +Williamson did meanwhile. Compare their actions to +W's actions.

If it takes "being a Freemason" to do what +Fellay did, then about 1/3 of the SSPX priests and all 3 bishops must be secret, card-carrying members of the Freemasonic cult. And considering that not even ONE SSPX priest has been exposed as being a secret Freemason thus far, I would say it's impossible for dozens (up to 240) SSPX priests to do this.

I understand where you're coming from, but the facts just don't require it.

Besides, what does it matter if +Fellay is a Freemason, or just totally duped into taking the SSPX in a horrible direction? What difference does it make, really? The Modern World is a freemasonic one. Vatican II is all about opening up to the Modern World. The SSPX, led by +Fellay, has certainly become more friendly to the modern world/Conciliar Church/Vatican II in the past several years. That much is indisputable. Freemason or dupe, it's equally tragic.