Author Topic: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON  (Read 5978 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline cosmas

  • Jr. Member
  • **
  • Posts: 349
  • Reputation: +206/-116
  • Gender: Male
IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
« on: May 11, 2019, 09:15:45 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!6
  • Virgo-Maria.org
     
    Gaude, Maria Virgo, cunctas hæreses sola interemisti.
    (Tractus Missæ Salve Sancta Parens)
    Wednesday, November 11, 2009
    This message can be downloaded in pdf on our website http://www.virgo-maria.org/.
    The program book «Benoît XVI et les traditionalistes» (« Benedict XVI and the traditionalists »)(March 12, 2007) of Father Celier (FSSPX), published by and with a foreword of a freemason[1]of the GrandLodgeof France
     
     
    Proof of the Masonic premeditation of the joining Rome policy imposed on the SSPX by Bishop Fellay
     
    An unprecedented Masonic scandal on top of the sacerdotal work of Archbishop Lefebvre

    In view of these appalling FACTS[1] from this moment onwards the question raises itself :
     
     
    Could it be that nowadays the SSPX is being led by a freemason?
     
     
    If so, since when did he enter the Lodge?
     
     

    Bishop Fellay has to choose:
    • ·       either betray Bishop Lefebvre and continue his Masonic∴ policy described in the program book published by and with a foreword of a free∴mason∴, publicly showing his submission to the Lodge by doing so,
    • ·       or he expells Father Celier[2] from the FSSPX and removes Father de Cacqueray because of incompetence, having covered this Masonic∴ book with his authority and sold[3] it himself.
     
     
     
    Explanation of the Masonic intentions and methods of Bishop Fellay’s policy:
     
    In the absence of any denial by Bishop Fellay, more than a month after the outbreak of the scandal without any reaction from his side, we cannot but conclude that it is clearly visible that Father Celier has had orders from Bishop Fellay and Father de Cacqueray to traverse France for two years in order to present in all the priories, before all the clergymen and faithfull, this program book of the joining of the SSPX with the Masonic, apostate, globalist Rome – a book published by and with a foreword of a freemason.
     
    Late October 2008 Mr. J.L.Maxence, the psychoanalist who edited and wrote the foreword of the program book «Benoît XVI et les Traditionnalistes» published his own book («La Loge et le divan») («The  Lodge and the Couch «), in which he himself[4] reveals the sham, up to then unknown and revealed later, in the nr. 269 (1 to 15 Feb.) of Emmanuel Ratier’s «Faits & Documents»  magazine.
     
     
    Father Celier’s program book, published by and with a foreword from a freemason, was released on March 12, 2007, and was immediately distributed and promoted in the media of the SSPX and in the priories, with the full and active support of the authority of Father de Cacqueray, who sold it himself in Nantes.
     
     
    Page 57 of «J’ai été franc-maçon» («I have been a freemason») by André Clodic[5]
     
    The first chapter of part three of  «Benoît XVI et les traditionalistes», devoted to the process of «reconciliation» with modernist Rome, is called «triangulation», a term that makes one invariably think of the «triangulation of speech» which, in Masonic practices, means that the initiated gets permission to speak from the Venerable of the Lodge trough the intermediary of the Surveillant. This symbolizes the indirect procedure.
     
    This means that the program book has been drafted in the second half of 2006, from August to December, at the time of the launching of the sacrilegious «bouquet», exactly the period when Father de Cacqueray began his Paris conferences[6], and was already reading to the public parts of the still unpublished Masonic∴ program book  in his lecture (the childish and ridiculous episode of the tanker changing course, part of the Masonic∴ book released 6 months later) of September 27, 2006[7], in the hall of the Mutualité, while answering pro-joining questions from Father Lorans.
    During this well known lecture, Father de Cacqueray explained to the faithful the idea according to which the SSPX should accept to lower the tone of its criticism, being fully integrated in the bosom of the Conciliar Church.
     
    All through his 2007 spring campaign in the priories, Father Celier has not stopped declaring that he acted with the agreement of Bishop Fellay, and that his book expressed the thoughts of Bishop Fellay.
     
    At that time, VM had pains to believe it, as it appeared so inconceivable.
    However, if we take Father Celier serious now, and accept that he did speak the truth, then this program book, its publication and its foreword by the freemason editor Jean-Luc Maxence had been agreed upon with Bishop Fellay as early as mid 2006, to contribute to the success of politics of joining the SSPX with Rome by way of PSYOPS manipulation of the faithful.
     
    Bishop Fellay has therefore chosen to have Father Celier present the lectures on joining that he did not dare himself to present openly at that time, preferring to remain in a chiaroscuro in order to better cheat the clergy and the faithful, while the freemason writer distilled the poison of surrendering in the minds of the priests and laymen of the SSPX.
     
    Jean-Luc Maxence was at least a known admirer of the gnosis. Choosing him  as editor, most certainly ratified by Bishop Fellay, reveals a deeper "connivance": Bishop Fellay could not be unaware of the Masonic contacts of the former contributor of the "Monde & Vie" magazine .
     
    Did Bishop Fellay choose this editor because of his membership of the G∴L∴F∴  ?
    On the other hand, was this choice the fruit of orchestrated action between the G∴L∴F∴ and the superior of the SSPX?
     
     
    Likewise, Bishop Fellay, in permanent communication with the Masonic Conciliar authorities of Rome, must have been warned about the coming release[8]of the Motu Proprio; he must have had information on the planned timetable, and therefore, the "miracle" made from the "bouquet spirituel" was   – as VM has denounced[9]right away -  destined to cheat the piety of the faithful. The Masonic program book represented the "next step", the one that would encourage the momentum towards the so called "discussions", and then the final integration.
     
     
    Bishop Fellay, Father Celier and the Masonic editor of the G∴L∴F∴, have therefore planned to publish a program book that would be propagated by Father Celier in half of the priories of the SSPX in France, in two campaigns that would frame the release of the Motu Proprio as a sandwich.
    Evidently, Father Celier benefited from financial support from the side of Father de Cacqueray for the expenses that he made for his subversive operation.
     
    Consequently, it is necessary to note that Father Celier has benefited from unlimited support of Father de Cacqueray and of Bishop Fellay, in spite of the multiplying protest articles and actions.
     
    "In the first place, pull away form Freemasonry the mask that it covers itself with and make it be seen like it is." Leo XIII
     
    In the final annex to this VM message, we do invite our readers – be they clergymen or laymen – to read, reread and meditate on the INFALLIBLE encyclical text Humanum Genus of April 20, 1884, from the Magisterium of Pope Leo XIII, by which this Pontiff infallibly exposes, denounces and condemns the "Sect of the Freemasons", as well as their "misleading" methods and their "infamous and criminal enterprises."
    While considering the INFALLIBLE terms chosen by Pope Leo XIII to passionately condemn Freemasonry by his encyclical Humanum Genus, the Catholic readers, clergy or laymen, will be able to measure the ABSOLUTELY MOST SERIOUS character of the public approval from a confirmed, acknowledged, enthusiast Gnostic freemason program book of Father Celier for the joining of the SSPX with the Masonic, globalist, apostate, “ecumenical” Conciliar church.
     
    Leo XIII points his finger at the secret methods of the Masonic sect:
     
    "Undoubtedly, one can see that they belong to the family of clandestine corporations, and that they behave like them. They have, in fact, kinds of mysteries that their constitution forbids with the greatest care to divulge, not only to people outside, but even to a considerable number of their followers."
     
    And what does Bishop Fellay show since the year 2000 in the SSPX? The same Masonic∴ methods of secrecy!
     
     
    This cult of the secret keeps on spreading in the government of the SSPX by Bishop Fellay. The so called doctrinarian "discussions” with the Rome of the antichrists, by which the Swiss bishop risks the future of the FSSPX, will unfold themselves in secrecy, behind CLOSED DOORS.
    And now, in a new boost of secrecy, even the names of the members of the Commission will remain secret!
    Discussions BEHIND CLOSED DOORS, by persons that do not unveil their identity to the public, does that not remind you of something? This is exactly the way that the Masonic Lodge functions.
    We cannot but notice that Bishop Fellay imposes on the FSSPX the way of functioning of the Masonic Lodge: this is a FACT.
     
     
    Quite the opposite of Bishop Fellay and the Lodge, Bishop Lefebvre applied the Catholic way of behaving: he kept his relations with Rome seen and known by the faithful and did not hesitate to solicit the opinion of laymen.
     
    How to explain that, since 2000, the year of the pilgrimage to Rome, the Direction of the SSPX has arrived at adopting the methods of functioning of the Masonic Lodge?
    And this in an ever increasing way since the visit of Bishop Fellay to the apostate priest Ratzinger-Benedict XVI on August 29, 2005?
     
     
     
     
    Ask your priests and your bishops:
     
    ·    How is it possible that the Direction of the SSPX promotes and sells this Masonic∴ program book without any penalty?
     
    ·    How is it possible that Bishop Fellay imposes this Masonic∴ policy by terror?
     
    ·    Do you want our children to finish in the Lodge∴?
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
    Chronology of the publication and circulation of the Masonic program book within the District of France of the SSPX for two years with the total support and active participation of Father de Cacqueray
     
    Table of contents
     
    1.       The publication on March 12, 2007, of the joining program book by Father Celier, edited by and with a foreword of Jean-Luc Maxence, a not yet acknowledged freemason of the G∴L∴F∴... 7
    2.       The first publicity campaign (May-June 2007) of Father Celier in 12 priories of the District of France to distribute his program book "Benedict XVI and the traditionalists", edited and prefaced by the freemason of the G∴L∴F∴... 10
    3.       On July 7, 2007, Benedict XVI published the Motu Proprio. Four months before the joining program book of Father Celier has appeared. This release of the Motu is framed by the two campaigns of Father Celier in the priories, for his program book edited by and with a foreword of a follower of theG∴L∴F∴... 15
    4.       On October 5, 2007, Bishop Fellay’s nomination of Father Celier (edited by and with a foreword of a F∴M∴) is revealed in the theological commission responsible for the preparation of the "discussions" with Rome.17
    5.       The second publicity campaign (October-December 2007) of Father Celier in 9 priories of the District of France to distribute his program book "Benedict XVI and the traditionalists", edited by and with a foreword of a freemason of the G∴L∴F∴... 18
    6.       On the 1st  of December, 2007, a university circle violently attacks Father Celier’s philosophical work ("the mortal god"), for being an "initiatory guide to apostasy". Erreur ! Signet non défini.
    7.       In March 2008, the hidden, but unmasked campaign of Father Celier to spread a second document about the joining among the clergy of the SSPX   19
    8.       From June to August 2008, Father Celier, helped by Father Lorans, with insolence, and as if he has nothing to fear, hushes up the rebellion of Bishop Fellay and the bishops of the Fraternity (SSPX) against the ultimatum urged by Rome at the beginning June 2008  19
    9.       In October 2008, Jean-Luc Maxence, editor of Father Celier, reveals his affiliation "since decades" to the Grande∴ Loge∴ de France∴ (Grand Lodge of France)24
    10.    On the 1st of February 2009, Emmanuel Ratier passes on the information about Jean-Luc Maxence’s Masonic∴ affiliation in the Faits & Documents magazine. 25
    11.    In March 2009, the magazine of the Dominican Fathers of Avrillé (Sel de la Terre) tells about the Masonic∴ affiliation of Jean-Luc Maxence  26
    12.    May 10 2009, in his lecture to the IUSPX on subversion, Father Chautard, first curate of the Church of St. Nicolas du Chardonnet, makes the Masonic∴ affiliation of Jean-Luc Maxence known. 27
    13.    In June 2009, the parish bulletin of the Church of St. Nicolas du Chardonnet, ("Le Chardonnet") makes the Masonic∴ affiliation of Jean-Luc Maxence known. 27
    14.    In July 2009, VM establishes the link between the program book of Father Celier and the Masonic∴ affiliation of Jean-Luc Maxence to the G∴L∴F∴... 28
    15.    By the end of August 2009, although directly incriminated and finding his reputation damaged by the scandal, Bishop Fellay insists on supporting the Fathers Celier and De Cacqueray and the Masonic∴ political exposition in the program book "Benedict XVI and the traditionalists" Erreur ! Signet non défini.
     
     
    1.  The publication on March 12, 2007 of the joining program book by Father Celier, edited by and with a foreword of Jean-Luc Maxence, a not yet acknowledged freemason of the GLF
     
    ·      January 17, 2007: Announcement by Entrelacs Publishers, directed by Jean-Luc Maxence
    o  "Entrelacs Publishers (an affiliate of Albin-Michel) will publish on March, 12, a book by Father Grégoire Celier and Olivier Pichon: Benedict XVI and the traditionalists.
    The third part, "Future", the most original one of the book, constitutes a systematic presentation of the links of the Pius X Fraternity (SSPX) with Rome, notably in the matter of the famous "agreements".
    The first chapter, entitled "Triangulation[10]", returns to that which the SSPX has called the two "preconditions", i.e. total liberty for each priest to celebrate the traditional mass (before Vatican II), and the lifting of the Roman excommunications of 1988 regarding the four auxiliary bishops of the SSPX and the two bishops that consecrated them. Replying to the objections of Olivier Pichon, Father Celier explains why and how the SSPX has proposed these two preconditions to Rome before any other discussion.
    The title of the second chapter - to be understood while reading - is "Messe pipaule". This chapter primarily treats the "doctrinal discussions”, which must constitute, according to the SSPX, the second step of the process of reconciliation. While replying to the questions of Olivier Pichon, Father Celier tries to show, through some historic examples, that in the eyes of the SSPX it would be possible from this day to advance these discussions with Rome. This chapter - the most original of the work - also proposes future perspectives for the Church, perspectives that are astonishing, indeed, explosive from a “traditionalist” priest.
    The third chapter, entitled "Fable du héron", (The Fable of the Heron) wants to reply to the central objection of Olivier Pichon: "Isn’t now the right moment to sign, because the election of Benedict XVI is a historic chance for you? If you do not sign today, might you not risk losing all?" Having explained the history of the previous agreements, Father Celier explains in detail why, in the current circumstances, the SSPX does not envisage signing an agreement with Rome in the short run, even if it considers that the position can brutally and quickly change into its favor, which would then motivate the signature of such a agreement ."
    ·      February 28, 2007: Father Celier exposes the official policy of the rapports of the SSPX with Rome on Radio Courtoisie:
    "Effectively, there is a general position that, on a certain number of items, a reflection is evolving in the heart of the Fraternity that tries to adapt itself to this position (…). The Apostolic See can very well return this favor to the Tradition in any other form (…).We do not say that these two preconditions are absolutely obligatory if in another way, for example, the Apostolic See would show that the love of the Tradition, of the Church, is put back in force (…)"
    "Concerning the 'doctrinal debates', I explicitly say that right now this is the formula that Bishop Fellay gave, but he is open to what might happen in various ways (…). In the book I explicitly say, I even remind  that we envisage to make a canonical agreement, even if all problems have not yet been solved, provided that there is a real change of direction" (Father Celier on Radio Courtoisy, February 28, 2007).
     
    ·      March 11, 2007: VM[11]exposes the facts and questions Father Celier for his pro-joining book: "The dangerous drifts of Father Celier denounced by a faithful. The growing outcry of the faithful of the SSPX against the network of the modernist infiltrators. "
     
    ·      March 12 2007: In "Benedict XVI and the traditionalists" Father Celier exposes the program of joining the SSPX with the modernistic Rome
     
    In the foreword to Father Celier’s work, the then yet concealed freemason Jean-Luc Maxence, declares to welcome the success of the joiningthat he names with a euphemism "rapprochement" – of the SSPX to the apostate priest Ratzinger-Benedict XVI:
     
    Nevertheless, until then - and "for decades[12]"- Mr. Jean-Luc Maxence had never revealed his active and fervent membership of the ‘ateliers’ of the G∴L∴F∴ to the ignorant and credulous traditionalist readers of the weekly Monde & Vie, of which the latter constituted the bulk of its readership, which very well characterizes the habitual method of insinuation and deception denounced for ages by the infallible Magisterium of the Holy Church and of its Pontiffs (cf. for example Leo XIII, 1884, Encyclical Humanum Genus).
     
     
     
    "I began my activities as a journalist in 1966, a year after the end of the Vatican II council. Being Catholic, I have from this era been fascinated by the different currents of thought that confronted themselves within the Church of Rome. I was having a regular section of "poetry" in the Monde et Vie weekly, and as I was part of the editing team of this publication close to the Catholic "traditionalist", although in no way being "expert" in religious questions, I could talk with Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, Father François Ducaud Bourget, Michel de Saint Pierre and some other figureheads of this current.
    "I was not thirty years old yet, and I was hoping then for a "spring of the Church". I believed the virtues of Vatican II, with the faith of an exalted sixty-eighter. I even ended up being responsible for a polemic work on the subject, a pamphlet that advocated a frank separation from those that the late Jacques Maritain, in his work Le Paysan de la Garonne, baptized those still "Ruminating the Holy Alliance", in other words, the "fundamentalists ".
    "Almost thirty years have passed, and still the same questions remain. Vatican II has not at all filled the churches, especially in the West, this is the least one can say.
    "I have no intention to get in a certain soft and stupid repentance. However, it seemed to me useful, especially at a time when Pope Benedict XVI courageously wants to mend the torn tunic of the Church, to propose to the journalist Olivier Pichon and to Father Grégoire Celier to talk without using diplomatic language, with absolute liberty, on the question of a rapprochement between the Fraternity of Saint Pius X and Rome.  Is it not just the objective of the Connivences Collection to offer a space for the exchange of ideas beyond habitual ideological divides?
    "I do not regret this initiative. Better: it seems to me undeniable that this discussion lights up the points of view of each, and that it can constitute an important brick in the structure of reconciliation that I personally hope to be possible.”
    The Director of the “Connivences” Collection (Jean-Luc Maxence, F∴M∴ of the Grande∴ Loge∴ de France∴ according to the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite[13])
     
    ·      March 13, 2007: while VM[14]wonders about the Gnostic ideas of Father Celier’s editor, Jean-Luc Maxence: "The thoughts of Bishop Fellay edited by an admirer of the gnosis? The book of Father Celier, claiming to express the thoughts of Bishop Fellay, edited by J. L. Maxence, author of esoteric and Guénon inspired works "
    o  The Vehementer magazine (published only on internet) reveals to us that Jean-Luc Maxence is strongly linked to Gnostic circles. It recalls that the latter already has published several works on esoteric subjects and on René Guénon, a highly initiated Gnostic. Vehementer is directed by some Dominican Fathers of Avrillé. It is to be distinguished from Sel de la Terre, a magazine directed by Father Pierre-Marie de Kergorlay."
    o  "Father Celier claims, in fact, to speak in the name of Bishop Fellay while expressing exactly the latter’s thought. He even claims that his work was reread and approved by his Superiors. Bishop Fellay therefore, has accepted that, if Father Celier is to be believed – and if this is true, the situation is really very serious -, that his personal thought about the SSPX and its future, like on the very strategic item of the connections with Ratzinger (regions for which he as Superior General of the SSPX is personally responsible, and which he primarily is vested with) is expressed in a discussion with an editor, Mr. Jean-Luc Maxence, who has already published and distributed the following books: Jung and the future of Freemasonry, 2004; L’égrégore; The  collective psychological energy, Dervy, 2003; René Guénon, the invisible philosopher, 2001; Anthology of  contemporary mystical poetry, 1999" VM
     
     
    2.  The first publicity campaign (May-June 2007) of Father Celier in 12 priories of the District of France to distribute his program book "Benedict XVI and the traditionalists", edited by and with a foreword of a mason of the GLF
     
     
    ·      May 5, 2007: VM[15]is worried and questions the first tour of France in 12 priories of the SSPX by Father Celier to present his book "Benedict XVI and the traditionalists" :
        "How to explain that Father Celier turns himself this way, without any obstacle to the highest level of the SSPX media in France, even though he prepares his departure (at last!) from the magazine Fideliter (the level of which has become pitiful henceforth) and the Clovis Publishing Firm? Is it not the responsibility of the July 2006 General Chapter (that convenes once every 12 years) to officially decide to dismiss him from this magazine and of this Publishing Firm? Who, therefore, has authority superior to the General Chapter to decide that his decisions must be executed without delay? An authority that seems to exercise an executive power in the SSPX superior to the General Chapter? Is not here that power at work that we already designated by the expression "Schwarze Kapelle (Black Orchestra)," that corresponds to the network of the modernistic infiltrators? (Cf. preceding VM messages).
    Did Father de Cacqueray put his signature under the mission of Father Celier’s tour of France?
    Do the gifts of the faithful serve to finance these expensive trips and this shameless pro-joining propaganda?
    While the families must scrimp and save to pay the studies of their children in the SSPX schools, the faithful can now verify what their money is used for.
    About 7500 Kms (calculating the various routes on www.viamichelin.com) and therefore, according to the tax scale: 3500 € (3.134,39 GBP or 5.194,92 USD) for traveling costs (including amortization) + various costs! It takes more than 1000 books to be sold to get back such a sum by the profits obtained by the profit margin." VM
     
    ·      May 8 2007: VM[16]passes on a text of the "Sous la bannière" magazine that publicly questions Bishop Fellay on the legitimacy of Father Celier expressing himself by his book:
    "Father continually expresses himself in the name of the Fraternity by using the first person plural. We have; we are; we recognize. On page 221, in 14 lines, this method of expression is used 7 times by the Father Celier. And on page 212, we, or it, or the Fraternity, is used 18 times in 24 lines. The average reader can have no doubt! This must be a "historic leader” who expresses himself in the name of the SSPX. It remains to be known if the real persons in command are conscious of this, and accept it themselves." Sous la bannière – n°130 »
     
     
    ·      May 18, 2007: VM[17]publishes on the failure of Father Celier’s first lectures in the priories:
    o  "According to our information, Father Celier has met 50 faithful at his lecture of May 3, 2007, in the priory of Marseille. Few books have been sold; some faithful had their copies signed. As a matter of fact, owing to the modernist and naturalist theses that he has not stopped promoting since 1995, Father Celier has got himself a sort of contra-clientele that buys his books or magazines containing items from him (published under his name or under one of his pseudonyms) in order to examine which modernist or naturalist ideas these works contain. So, whatever he publishes, he can be sure of a minimum sale by his opponents. After that, on May 10, 2007, in the priory of Lyon, hardly more faithful turned up (about 60). 30 books have been sold. Among these listeners a lot were opponents of Father Celier’s theses that he has spread for years under his own name or under pseudonyms (Father Beaumont or Paul Sernine). The atmosphere at the time of the lecture in Lyon was hostile. Father Lamerand, the prior, even intervened to chase away someone who had come to distribute the article of Sous la bannière that gives implacable criticism on Father Celier’s work. A theological criticism that we discussed in our VM message of May 8, 2007. "
     
     
     
    ·      May 23, 2007: VM[18]makes the opposition known of Bishop Tissier de Mallerais to Father Celier’s program book, that he qualifies a "fantasy":
    « Questioned on the subject of Father Celier’s book[1] at a lecture for the faithful, Bishop Tissier de Mallerais declared: "I have not read Father Celier’s book yet. This is a, well, a, how shall I put it, an eccentric view of the future, an imagination of the future, how a progressive return to the liturgical tradition, to the traditional Mass might happen. Yes, that is what it is, without any doubt. This is a work of fantasy or imagination, but I cannot say some more because I did not read the book, I did not buy it, it does not interest me, I will not read it, it does not interest me at all." Bishop Tissier de Mallerais. [2]
     
    ·      May 25, 2007:VM[19]publishes a document of 2004 that makes a theological and philosophical screening of Father Celier’s writings and concludes that he is a nuisance. Father Celier intervenes once more on Radio Courtoisie.
     
    "Despite the failure of his campaign in the priories of France, on the radio on May 24, 2007 Father Celier excelled already as a correspondent for the District of France." VM
     
    ·      May 26, 2007: VM[20]headlines: "Bishop Tissier disavows Father Celier’s manuscripts. The failure of an isolated and rejected Father Celier" and publishes the audio recording [21]of the rejection by Bishop Tissier de Mallerais of Father Celier’s program book "Benedict XVI and the traditionalists".
     
    ·      May 27, 2007: VM[22]informs on "The rout of Father Celier on campaign: the fiasco of Toulouse".
     
    "Hardly 40 persons turned up. Father de la Rocque, prior of the SSPX in Toulouse, had rented a room for 300 persons. 40 persons turned up. We counted 3 priests, some youngsters, and very aged people, all faithful of the priory. Some time before, Michel de Jaeghere had attracted more people to the same place, gathering listeners from all horizons. The lecture began with 20 minutes of delay. Father de la Rocque saw the room almost empty and waited for the crowd to arrive, but the crowd never came. Delivering a rather shallow speech, Father Celier appeared very little at ease. (...) During his lecture he strongly asserted that he spoke in the name of the SSPX and of Bishop Fellay, presenting the latter’s position all the time." VM
     
    ·      June 3, 2007: Father de Cacqueray goes to the Priory of Saint-Louis in Nantes on Sunday, a week before Father Celier’s arrival, and he sells the Masonic program book "Benedict XVI and the traditionalists" to the faithful himself:
    "We have received two testimonies on the "great success" of Nantes. It is necessary to recall that after Paris, Nantes is the second city of France in the fight for the Tradition. The coming of Father Celier was preceded by that of Father de Cacqueray, who came the preceding Sunday with works of Father Celier. However, he failed to sell them, according to a testimony that has reached us." VM[23]of June 17, 2007
    ·      June 6, 2007:VM[url=http://www.virgo-maria.org/articles_HTML/2009/011-2009/VM-2009-11-11/VM-200

    Offline Climacus

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 26
    • Reputation: +11/-101
    • Gender: Male
    Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
    « Reply #1 on: May 11, 2019, 11:51:30 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!2
  • After all these years it is pathetic that it takes a booklet for trads to even consider the question.  


    Offline Ladislaus

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 18424
    • Reputation: +10207/-4836
    • Gender: Male
    Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
    « Reply #2 on: May 12, 2019, 10:35:47 AM »
  • Thanks!3
  • No Thanks!1
  • I'm not really following this, but I always found it strange that +Lefebvre was pressured to include +Fellay among the consecrandi ... and it was certainly an unusual and suspicious handshake he exchanged with Benedict XVI.  I would definitely not rule it out.

    Offline Quo vadis Domine

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 635
    • Reputation: +215/-142
    • Gender: Male
    Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
    « Reply #3 on: May 12, 2019, 11:41:49 AM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • I'm not really following this, but I always found it strange that +Lefebvre was pressured to include +Fellay among the consecrandi ... and it was certainly an unusual and suspicious handshake he exchanged with Benedict XVI.  I would definitely not rule it out.
    I didn’t know he was pressured to include Fellay. I don’t disbelieve you, but do you have some proof for this?

    Offline Quo vadis Domine

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 635
    • Reputation: +215/-142
    • Gender: Male
    Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
    « Reply #4 on: May 12, 2019, 11:45:46 AM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • Didn’t Bishop Fellay grow up near the seminary in Econe? I was under the impression that he was a devout Catholic since he was young.


    Offline Matthew

    • Mod
    • *****
    • Posts: 23087
    • Reputation: +20244/-244
    • Gender: Male
    Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
    « Reply #5 on: May 12, 2019, 12:02:50 PM »
  • Thanks!2
  • No Thanks!0
  • Didn’t Bishop Fellay grow up near the seminary in Econe? I was under the impression that he was a devout Catholic since he was young.
    I believe you are right.

    I agree with Ladislaus -- it's not an INSANE speculation, but it's also not necessary, nor do we have proof.

    +Fellay just fell for the siren song of popularity, the idea that "we're going to save the Church" and he is willing to do anything to get all those thousands of "conservative" Catholics packing his pews. You know, the Catholics who, up till now, were scared away from the SSPX by the irregular Canonical status of the SSPX.

    It doesn't require a Freemason to do what +Fellay did. And this is a STUPID thread and a distraction, because

    The Crisis in the SSPX, and the Resistance, is not about the man +Fellay! About 1/3 of the SSPX priests feel and see things like +Fellay does. Are they all Freemasons?

    I understand where the author is coming from, and MAYBE his heart is in the right place, but he's just causing a distraction.

    What +Fellay doesn't realize is that this "fear of contradiction" is exactly what kept the SSPX relatively unscathed from the Modernist contagion up till now.
    Being hated by the world is a good "filter", as it were. It keeps out the lukewarm and the bad apples. Remove this filter, and in comes the flood.

    There are only so many good Trads (a.k.a. "good, serious Catholics") out there.  If you want to increase your numbers fivefold, you're GOING to have to lower your standards, and completely dilute your mission.

    I'm not saying every non-Trad should be consigned to Hell -- but until they are ready to be a REAL Trad, they should stay out of the "serious Trad" group. Let the conservative Catholic groups get them started on the path of truth. Then, when they're ready for solid food (baby food), let them graduate to the FSSP. Then, when they are ready to be adult Catholics, let them join the SSPX.

    That's how it used to work.
    Start your Amazon.com session by clicking this link, and my family and I get a commission on your purchase!

    Offline Matthew

    • Mod
    • *****
    • Posts: 23087
    • Reputation: +20244/-244
    • Gender: Male
    Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
    « Reply #6 on: May 12, 2019, 12:09:10 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • Taking the "serious Trad" group and downgrading it to FSSP or conservative Catholic, in order to "meet people where they are", is a huge mistake. It's what the Catholic Church did in the 1960's for crying out loud! We all know how that ended up.

    No, what you do is keep your standards high, and some people will join you. The rest are going to be in lesser stages of the journey, and that's what the conservative N.O., FSSP, Indult, etc. is for.

    But taking a group that's already at the top of the ladder, and bumping them ALL down to the bottom rung, is a huge act of destruction.
    Start your Amazon.com session by clicking this link, and my family and I get a commission on your purchase!

    Offline Quo vadis Domine

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 635
    • Reputation: +215/-142
    • Gender: Male
    Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
    « Reply #7 on: May 12, 2019, 12:54:23 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • Taking the "serious Trad" group and downgrading it to FSSP or conservative Catholic, in order to "meet people where they are", is a huge mistake. It's what the Catholic Church did in the 1960's for crying out loud! We all know how that ended up.

    This is absolutely correct.


    Offline Pax Vobis

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 4809
    • Reputation: +2833/-1298
    • Gender: Male
    Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
    « Reply #8 on: May 12, 2019, 12:55:22 PM »
  • Thanks!4
  • No Thanks!0
  • I love a good conspiracy theory but the opening post is a complex, confusing, ridiculous collection of multiple fonts, colors, underlines, etc.  It's unreadable and headache-inducing.  Maybe there's some truth in there somewhere?  I won't spend the time to find out.

    Offline SeanJohnson

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 4761
    • Reputation: +4153/-1452
    • Gender: Male
    Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
    « Reply #9 on: May 12, 2019, 12:58:57 PM »
  • Thanks!2
  • No Thanks!1
  • I didn’t know he was pressured to include Fellay. I don’t disbelieve you, but do you have some proof for this?

    It’s a disappointing fact.

    I will find the citation; can’t recall if it was confirmed in the Biography or somewhere else.

    I remember it slightly hurting my esteem for Archbishop Lefebvre when I learned this (ie., caving in to the desires of Swiss benefactors, which implies he did it for money).

    We all make mistakes (and that one came back to destroy his SSPX), but he still deserves to be recognized as the savior of the faith, and because of that as one of the greatest saints of all-time, in my opinion.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-

    Offline Matthew

    • Mod
    • *****
    • Posts: 23087
    • Reputation: +20244/-244
    • Gender: Male
    Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
    « Reply #10 on: May 12, 2019, 01:17:16 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • It’s a disappointing fact.

    I will find the citation; can’t recall if it was confirmed in the Biography or somewhere else.

    I remember it slightly hurting my esteem for Archbishop Lefebvre when I learned this (ie., caving in to the desires of Swiss benefactors, which implies he did it for money).

    We all make mistakes (and that one came back to destroy his SSPX), but he still deserves to be recognized as the savior of the faith, and because of that as one of the greatest saints of all-time, in my opinion.

    Agreed.

    And let's face it -- as I said above, this isn't about the man +Fellay. I don't hate him personally. I hate the new direction of the new SSPX, and I hate the neo-SSPX as an organization. We are allowed to hate -- even REQUIRED to hate -- error and evil in the abstract.

    Therefore I don't hate any individual priests or laity who are part of (or who attend) the SSPX. However, if the SSPX as an organization depended on me for life, it would be shut down. If the SSPX were drowning, I'd throw it a nice, heavy anchor.

    Their whole position and strategy (that of the FSSP) repulses me as a man. I hate compromise, I hate lies, I hate ignoring truths. I hate pandering to certain apostate groups which have been fighting the Church since the Acts of the Apostles. And I hate everything the modern world stands for. Every last thing. I do renounce it, and all its pomps, and all its display. Yes, I chose those words on purpose. I renounce the Modern World (a.k.a. "the city of Man") the same way I renounce Satan, because they are interchangeable. That's also why I hate Vatican 2!

    Besides the % of priests in the SSPX who are in agreement with the new direction (personified by +Fellay) there are also THE OTHER TWO BISHOPS who have done nothing substantial to put the SSPX back on the straight and narrow. As I asked above, are THEY Freemasons too?

    That's why this line of thinking ("Is Bp. Fellay a Freemason?") is rather misguided and even stupid.

    As if non-Freemasons can't sin, fall, be deceived, etc.?

    It smacks of the error discussed in 1984: "Eurasia is now our enemy. Therefore they are the ultimate evil. But if they are the devil, there's no way we (good guys) were EVER allies with them. Thus we were ALWAYS at war with Eurasia. Get out the old newspapers and history books, and make changes to the historical record if necessary!"

    So long story short, +ABL's first choice -- Bp. Williamson -- turned out to be his best choice.
    Start your Amazon.com session by clicking this link, and my family and I get a commission on your purchase!


    Offline Pax Vobis

    • Hero Member
    • *****
    • Posts: 4809
    • Reputation: +2833/-1298
    • Gender: Male
    Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
    « Reply #11 on: May 12, 2019, 01:44:50 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!1
  • Very true.  The other 2 bishops have compromised just as much as +Fellay.  And if you could go back in time and not give +Fellay the election victory 12 years ago, would the sspx be on a different course?  Lots of “what if’s” that could’ve changed for the better, even if +Fellay is a mason. 

    Masonry certainly is the catalyst that God allows to lead many to compromise of their Faith.  But even the post-V2 masons have said publically they were surprised that V2 was so “successful”.  This means that free will and God’s graces are always there to totally destroy ANY evil forces at work, if we pray and act accordingly.  Most evils are not due to evil men but, as the old saying goes, they are due to “the good men who do nothing”.

    Offline Plenus Venter

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 21
    • Reputation: +25/-3
    • Gender: Male
    Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
    « Reply #12 on: May 12, 2019, 06:14:50 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • Quote from: SeanJohnson on Today at 12:58:57 PM
    Quote
    It’s a disappointing fact.

    I will find the citation; can’t recall if it was confirmed in the Biography or somewhere else.

    I remember it slightly hurting my esteem for Archbishop Lefebvre when I learned this (ie., caving in to the desires of Swiss benefactors, which implies he did it for money).
    It's a fact. That is a serious statement that one needs to be sure of before making.
    It implies he did it for money. It's a fact. Now that is an extremely grave implication. It casts an aspersion on the character of Archbishop Lefebvre.
    Is it not more likely that Archbishop Lefebvre, a man whose whole life gives testimony that he was a man of rare principle, considered that the request had merit and that there was a certain young priest who was eminently suited to such a high calling? Can we not think of other reasons that reflect well on the Archbishop rather than tarnish his reputation with such certainty?

    Offline Cera

    • Full Member
    • ***
    • Posts: 1573
    • Reputation: +575/-440
    • Gender: Female
    • Pray for the consecration of Russia to Mary's I H
    Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
    « Reply #13 on: May 12, 2019, 07:15:44 PM »
  • Thanks!1
  • No Thanks!0
  • I love a good conspiracy theory but the opening post is a complex, confusing, ridiculous collection of multiple fonts, colors, underlines, etc.  It's unreadable and headache-inducing.  Maybe there's some truth in there somewhere?  I won't spend the time to find out.
    Yes, plus unfounded innuendo and calumny.
    Pray for the consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary

    Offline homeschoolmom

    • Newbie
    • *
    • Posts: 148
    • Reputation: +101/-14
    • Gender: Female
    Re: IS HE OR ISN'T FELLAY A FREEMASON
    « Reply #14 on: May 12, 2019, 07:40:04 PM »
  • Thanks!0
  • No Thanks!0
  • About 1/3 of the SSPX priests feel and see things like +Fellay does.

    Only a third? That means 2/3 oppose the new direction? I would love that to be right, but it sure doesn't feel that way.


     

    Sitemap 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16