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Author Topic: Is Fr. Chazal Sedeprivationist?  (Read 8705 times)

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Offline Centroamerica

Re: Is Fr. Chazal Sedeprivationist?
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2018, 02:19:16 PM »
Quote from: Fanny on March 14, 2018, 01:45:06 PM
Sede-this, sede-that?
I have only ever known sede to mean sedevecantism.  
All these sede-isms make my head spin...
Why can't we just be Catholic?
Even old school priests like Fr. Jenkins uses all these terms. It is the way Catholics in this crisis have termed different positions on the crisis for the purposes of rational thought and discussion. Not really complicated and normal for Catholics fighting for the Faith to do.
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Offline Mr G

Re: Is Fr. Chazal Sedeprivationist?
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2018, 02:32:02 PM »
Quote from: Fanny on March 14, 2018, 01:45:06 PM
Sede-this, sede-that?
I have only ever known sede to mean sedevecantism.  
All these sede-isms make my head spin...
Why can't we just be Catholic?
Because Catholics need distinctions to explain how heretics and infiltrators have managed to take over most of the Church and change it to a new religion, yet at the same time say the Catholic Church is Visible, Universal, Apostolic and Holy.
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Offline Ladislaus

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Re: Is Fr. Chazal Sedeprivationist?
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2018, 02:57:37 PM »
Quote from: Mr G on March 14, 2018, 02:32:02 PM
Because Catholics need distinctions to explain how heretics and infiltrators have managed to take over most of the Church and change it to a new religion, yet at the same time say the Catholic Church is Visible, Universal, Apostolic and Holy.

Yes, that's the problem.

AND ... I might add ... Catholics are trying to understand how they can refuse submission/assent to the teaching of a man who claims to be the Vicar of Christ.  No Catholic could EVER lightly break away from the hierarchy.

Archbishop Lefebvre:
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“…a grave problem confronts the conscience and the faith of all Catholics since the beginning of Paul VI’s pontificate: how can a pope who is truly successor of Peter, to whom the assistance of the Holy Ghost has been promised, preside over the most radical and far-reaching destruction of the Church ever known, in so short a time, beyond what any heresiarch has ever achieved? This question must one day be answered…” (Le Figaro, August 4, 1976)

“Now some priests (even some priests in the Society) say that we Catholics need not worry about what is happening in the Vatican; we have the true sacraments, the true Mass, the true doctrine, so why worry about whether the pope is heretic or an impostor or whatever; it is of no importance to us. But I think that is not true. If any man is important in the Church it is the pope.” (Talk, March 30 and April 18, 1986, text published in The Angelus, July 1986)
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Offline Clemens Maria

Re: Is Fr. Chazal Sedeprivationist?
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2018, 03:25:01 PM »
I reformatted things to make it more clear what is being said by whom.

Dr. Chojnowski:

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Here is my email exchange with Fr. Francois Chazal about the position that he articulates in his new upcoming book about Francis, the Papacy, and Fr. Anthony Cekada.
[Note: Fr. Chazal's kind response. And by the way, unlike the arch laymen of Misters Salza and Siscoe, has been a perfect gentleman in this entire back and forth.]

Father,

 By sedeplenist [I meant to say sedeprivationist] I take it to mean that a man has been elected legitimately to the papacy but cannot exercise his power or take it on because of the obstacle of heresy. Would you say this applies to Francis or not?

Fr. Chazal's response:
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Yes, in virtue of canon law. 2264.
 That s also the basis for us using supplied jurisdiction (canon 209).
 It has been our policy from day one, and the Archbishop was much criticised for it.
 It is obvious that the Church does not want Catholics to place themselves under heretics, because they will inevitably drag them towards heresy, or at least compromise. That s also the whole debate since 2012.
 i really dont care if they call me a sedevacantist if i hold this principle.
 fc+

My comment: I don't think Fr. Chazal is admitting to be a sedeprivationist nor a sedevacantist.  But his formulation does sound like the SP position.
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Is Fr. Chazal Sedeprivationist?
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2018, 03:46:32 PM »
Quote from: Fanny on March 14, 2018, 01:45:06 PM
Sede-this, sede-that?
I have only ever known sede to mean sedevecantism.  
All these sede-isms make my head spin...
Why can't we just be Catholic?
Because unless there are various, erroneous groups, professing their own unique [dogmatic?] beliefs while all claiming to profess the same Catholic truths, except of course for their own unique beliefs, there would be no division. The truth is that sedewhateverism causes division among the faithful.  

This has always been the most successful of tactics that comes from the devil, he does it to promote iniquity among the faithful, this tactic is commonly known as "Divide and Conquer".

That's why, even amongst ourselves, we can't just be Catholic.
 
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