Author Topic: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd? (Read 440763 times)

drew · « **Reply #1065 on:** May 16, 2018, 12:15:10 PM »

Quote from: Cantarella on May 15, 2018, 05:15:24 PM

Sedevacantism Reconsidered:

A Public Heretic Cannot Retain The Papacy

Saint Frances de Sales, Doctor (1567-1622): “Now when [the Pope] is explicitly a heretic, he falls ipso facto from his dignity and out of the Church.” (The Catholic Controversy)

The Catholic Encyclopedia under the entry of "heresy" teaches the same, 1910:

It is an absurdity to think that a non-member of the Church, such a manifest heretic, can still be the head thereof.

Cantarella,

How do you know that the conciliar popes are heretics? When you answer this question bear in mind the following taken from your previous posts:

1. The magisterium is your rule of faith.

2. Dogma is not your rule of faith so you cannot appeal to any dogma without being guilty of “private interpretation” and becoming a “Protestant.”

3. No pope can be a heretic because they have a “never-failing” personal faith.

4. No pope can error in his fallible teaching because he is gifted with a negative infallibility by his personal indefectibility.

5. All general councils are infallible in everything they do.

So how do you know Pope Francis is a heretic?

Drew

Clemens Maria · « **Reply #1066 on:** May 16, 2018, 12:33:07 PM »

Quote from: drew on May 16, 2018, 12:15:10 PM

Cantarella,

How do you know that the conciliar popes are heretics? When you answer this question bear in mind the following taken from your previous posts:

1. The magisterium is your rule of faith.

2. Dogma is not your rule of faith so you cannot appeal to any dogma without being guilty of “private interpretation” and becoming a “Protestant.”

3. No pope can be a heretic because they have a “never-failing” personal faith.

4. No pope can error in his fallible teaching because he is gifted with a negative infallibility by his personal indefectibility.

5. All general councils are infallible in everything they do.

So how do you know Pope Francis is a heretic?

Drew

Drew, we knew Jorge Bergoglio was a heretic even before he started dressing in a pope costume. Likewise, the other Conciliar "popes" were all known to be liberals and/or Freemasons before they were elected.

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #1067 on:** May 16, 2018, 01:51:22 PM »

This:

https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/is-father-ringrose-dumping-the-r-r-crowd/msg609436/#msg609436

drew · « **Reply #1068 on:** May 16, 2018, 07:30:07 PM »

Quote from: Cantarella on May 16, 2018, 01:10:27 PM

I think you misunderstand. My "S&S" is not really based on any personal heresy, either material or formal, or occult or public, of the "pope"; but in a Magisterial contradiction occuring in the setting of an "Ecunemical" Council, which is the indication of an impostor usurping the Seat of Peter, because we know that a legitimate successor of St. Peter cannot teach doctrinal error to the faithful. They were never popes to begin with. The events emanating from the Council confirm this usurpation.

The reason I post the Church teaching on a "heretical Pope" is to demonstrate the logical conclusion one can draw from your illogical position. That the Pope can be a manifest heretic and still retain office, even though he is not a member of the Church.

What do we say of a body whose head falls off?

Cantarella,

So you determined that Vatican II taught error and therefore the pope cannot be the pope. But since the "magisterium is the rule of faith," how did you determine that the magisterium is teaching error? What possible criteria are you using to judge that the magisterium is teaching error and therefore cannot be the magisterium? Concrete examples would be helpful.

Once we find out how you are judging the magisterium as heretical we can get back to the problem of a heretical pope.

Drew

drew · « **Reply #1069 on:** May 16, 2018, 07:40:12 PM »

Quote from: Cantarella on May 16, 2018, 01:33:59 PM

Do you really have any doubt that Vatican II Council (if ratified by a legitimate Pope) belongs to the "ordinary and universal Magisterium" of the Church, at the very least?

Cantarella,

You do not know what the word "universal" means. I know that Pax and Stubborn have pointed this out to you before but to no avail. "Universal" necessarily contains the attribute of time. Without time, there is no universal.

Any novelty cannot be a universal by definition. Furthermore, there was never at any time at Vatican II the intent to define any doctrine, much less, impose the definition on the faithful as a formal object of divine and Catholic faith. Vatican II does not "belong to the ordinary and universal magisterium."

Drew

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