I said this.

You said this.

I just can't seem to find the quotes from St. Vincent and Pope Pius IX in your post that prove R&R correct. You said you would stick with them, so they must have taught your belief system.

And you called us Idiots.

Below are snips of their teachings, I have no doubt that you'll come up with at least one reason why they do not mean what they say and that they do not apply. It would not even be all too surprising for you to foolishly claim they actually support sedeism.

As I said, sedeism was never believed by anyone anywhere until about 50 years ago, it was never believed because it was never held or taught by any of the faithful. For those not already trapped in sedeism, this is how we know sedeism is not Catholic.

The Vincentian Canon, the "guiding principle for distinguishing the true Catholic Faith from the degraded falsehoods of heresy."


(3) Now in the Catholic Church itself we take the greatest care to hold that which has been believed everywhere, always and by all. That is truly and properly 'Catholic,' as is shown by the very force and meaning of the word, which comprehends everything almost universally. We shall hold to this rule if we follow universality [i.e. oecuмenicity], antiquity, and consent. We shall follow universality if we acknowledge that one Faith to be true which the whole Church throughout the world confesses; antiquity if we in no wise depart from those interpretations which it is clear that our ancestors and fathers proclaimed; consent, if in antiquity itself we keep following the definitions and opinions of all, or certainly nearly all, bishops and doctors alike.


Pope Pius IX:
Even when it is only a question of the submission owed to divine faith, this cannot be limited merely to points defined by the express decrees of the Ecuмenical Councils, or of the Roman Pontiffs and of this Apostolic See; this submission must also be extended to all that has been handed down as divinely revealed by the ordinary teaching authority of the entire Church spread over the whole world, and which, for this reason, Catholic theologians, with a universal and constant consent, regard as being of the faith."

This effectively eliminates sedeism from being Catholic.

Of course not, because sedevacantism is not a doctrine which is "taught"; but simply a plausible explanation of the crisis.  

If your problem with it, is merely the "novelty" factor, then please realize that first, this is an unprecedent crisis, and second, the same can also be said of R&R...

Actually no, I take that back, R&R is not new: resisting the Pope of Rome and the Ecunemical Councils of the Church as R&R does is actually a very old practice always associated with the heretics, which I hope you would agree that is even worst than merely being a "novel" reaction.

Reference the Principle of the Vincentian Canon; The Church has always and everywhere taught that all who denounce the pope as pope *for any reason*, commit an act of schism. This is what all of the people have always believed because it is has always been a teaching of the Church.

This act of schism, no matter which one of it's many different varieties is invoked, the sedes have dubbed "sedevacantism".  

In their effort to thwart the most fundamental of Catholic principles, the sedes have dubbed this most fundamental Catholic principle as "R&R", as if this Catholic principle does not apply on account of their better, or higher principle, called sedeism.    

The Catholic Principle I am speaking of, which the sede's have dubbed "R&R", has also been taught by the Church and believed by all of the faithful always and everywhere, the principle this one:

"No matter what may happen, since no one may justifiably command another to sin, and since no one is permitted to obey such a command, no one may ever blame another—even an errant pope—for his sins. Conversely, the failure of any person—even the pope—to keep God's law or to preserve his own faith, does not excuse any other person for his failure to do the same. Ignorance of the law or ignorance of the Faith is never an excuse for sinning; one is bound to know when he is being commanded to sin." - Fr. Wathen, The Great Sacrilege

So it would be nice, as well as Just, to remember that whenever sedes derogatorily refer to R&R, they are referring to the above Catholic Principle.

You have completely lost your Catholic bearings.  YOU denounce the Pope every single day.  We say that he's not the Pope.  And it has precious little to do with feeling superior ... it's about the indefectibility and incorruptibility of the Church's Magisterium and Universal Discipline, something which you do not believe.  Your concept of the Church lines up with that of Luther and the other Prot heretics.

They must have really put you through the ringer at your NO and sede theology courses.

St. Vincent's teaching testifies against all things sede, that includes your personal, confused and consistent contradictory opinions.  


 

The Campos priests in making their deal with Ecclesia Dei, Bishop De Castro Mayer’s own writings and testimony from the 1988 episcopal consecrations all suggest that he favored the sede vacante position as a valid Catholic opinion. 

Cantarella:

Still waiting for Mr. Drew to answer how is it that manifest heresy does not destroy the Papal Office.

You have some doubt that he will answer?  Of course he will answer; and he will probably do so lengthily.  He feeds off forum members like you, Cant.  You energize and abet his long winded effusions. 

The situation at Saint Athanasius has caused me to take more of an interest in the issue of sedeism than I had.  It has been interesting indeed.  Having opinions is one thing, but that is not what is going on in the parish.  We have a priest omitting the prayer for the Pope at Mass and various other parts of the liturgy (e.g. Litany of the Saints, Exsultet), and openly attacking the position traditionally associated with Archbishop Lefebvre.  I don't buy it, no priest has the authority to decide such things, only the Church.  At some point the Church will presumably deal with this issue but we are not there yet.

True.

It is a dogma that manifest heretics are outside the Church and this is not a novelty.

Anyone has a doubt on that?

What I doubt is that you have the authority to force others to accept your proclamations regarding the Pope.