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Author Topic: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?  (Read 441469 times)

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Offline drew

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #970 on: May 06, 2018, 10:47:33 PM »
The temerarious comparison between Caiaphas, the high priest, and the Pope of Rome demonstrates a severe lack of understanding of the Roman Catholic Faith, and if not done in ignorance, simply bad will.

Jesus Christ did not give the keys of the kingdom of Heaven to Caiaphas; but to Peter and his successors.  These "keys" are not a little matter. From the scriptural annotations, they mean "the authority of Chair of doctrine, knowledge, judgement and discretion between true and false doctrine, the height of government, the power of making laws, of calling Councils, of the principal voice in them, of confirming them, of making Canons and wholesome degrees, of abrogating the contrary, of ordaining Bishops and Pastors or deposing and suspending them, finally the power to dispense the goods of the Church both spiritual and temporal which signification and preeminent power and authority by the words keys the Scripture expresseth in many places: namely speaking of Christ, I have the keys of death and Hell, that is, the rule.

...By which words we gather that Peter's authority is marvelous, to whom the keys, that is, the power to open and shut Heaven, is given".

This is the plenitude potentate bestowed only upon Peter (and his legitimate successors).


It does not make any sense that the very keys of Heaven are and remain so, in the hands of a heretic (and in a continuous succession!). The keys of Heaven fell into an enemy of Christ?.

Faith cannot contradict reason.

Cantarella,

The only disagreement with your post is your conclusion. Your assumption that a heretic pope necessarily loses the keys does not follow from your exposition of the papacy.  This is a another question that I won't mind answering in detail but it will take a longer post.  Those that keep Dogma as the rule of faith have no problem with a heretical pope.  If you want a detailed answer why a heretical pope does not lose his office by that fact, I will be happy to provide a reply.  But you should remember that Christ Himself fell in the "hands of a heretic."  He was delivered by His own will "into the (power) of an enemy."  You should not be surprised to see that a similar trial is suffered by His Church.

Drew

Offline Stubborn

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #971 on: May 07, 2018, 06:08:06 AM »
Drew, it's obvious you know you are dealing with those who practice another religion yet falsely call themselves "Catholic". Consider that poor lad received his formal theological formation at NO universities and also studied under one of the original sedes who was expelled from the SSPX. To him, unless one doubts the pope is the pope, they are not even Catholic.

Poor lad, there is another poster like you that I know of, one who was similarly formally educated in NO theology while being de-educated in the true faith, this poster still has some struggles on that account, but unlike you, that poster realized the NO teachings were wrong and is now firmly on the road to unlearning the deceits while learning to accept rather than reject Catholic truth. I pray that poster does not read any of your posts lest in that person, you cause a reversion to NO theology, effectively undoing years of strenuous effort put forth to purge those NO errors learned.



Offline Stubborn

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #972 on: May 07, 2018, 10:47:43 AM »
You are so diabolically perverted that you claim that people who believe in the indefectibility and overall reliability of the Magisterium and the Church's Universal Discipline "practice another religion".  Indeed, you are correct.  We practice Catholicism, and the simple fact that you characterize basic Catholicism as "another religion" proves without a shadow of a doubt that you are heretics who are outside the Church.  You are not recognizable as Catholics.  You're anathema and have in fact been anathematized by various Church decrees over the centuries.
Poor lad, you are the one who went and got yourself formally educated into error, not I. You're the one who must strive to unlearn the errors you have been brainwashed into accepting as truths, not I. We keep trying to help you but you've been indoctrinated into error but good. You give new, NO meanings to the Church's indefectibity, infallibity, Magisterium, discipline and more.

The best rule of thumb for you to always remember is St. Vincent's rule  - He said that any idea (sedeism) that has *not* been held as a part of Catholic doctrine through all the generations of the Church by the vast majority of the faithful, is not Catholic - ergo, sedesim in whatever flavor you want to name it, is not Catholic. So plainly you should agree that it is not I who is the heretic here.

Can we at least agree on that much?

Offline Stubborn

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #973 on: May 07, 2018, 10:55:50 AM »
Yes, years of reading the Church Fathers and pre-Vatican II theologians will do that to someone.  These must have just warped my sensus fidei.
Not sure what warped it, but your posts indicate a definite case of a most pernicious heresy. Where do you suppose you got it from if not from your years of NO and sede theological studies?

HHMMMmmmm, now where could you have gotten so screwed up?

Offline Stubborn

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #974 on: May 07, 2018, 10:57:52 AM »
:facepalm:

Yeah, because the See has been vacant "through all the generations of the Church".  I guess that St. Robert Bellarmine was a heretic for speculating about this kind of scenario.
See what I mean? Your above reply is a case in point - you give new meanings to the most basic of Catholic truths as explained by the saint and echoed by popes -  just so you can try to weasel into sedeism.