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Cantarella,

Heresy in and of itself does not separate anyone from the Church any more than any mortal sin does.  S&Sers admit that if the pope were a occult heretic he would not lose his office.  This is true and necessarily so or the faithful would never know if the pope was really the pope.  What separates a heretic from the Church is manifest heresy that is harmful to others.  This is treated as a canonical crime and prosecuted as such.  Ipso facto penalties still require a canonical determination of guilt.  The problem is that the pope is "judged by no one," canon law is the human law of the Church, the pope is above the legal penalty of the law although not above the moral penalty.

In the parable of the Cockle, every Church Father commenting on the passage taught that, among other things, the cockle primarily represents heretics.  Jesus Christ, the Lord of the Harvest, commands that the cockle remain until the harvest for one reason, that removing it may do more harm to the wheat.  However, when the Magisterium of the Church determines that the heretic is doing greater harm to the faithful by not being uprooted, she in her wisdom may remove the cockle before the harvest.  That she has repeatedly done through history.  But with each heresy, relatively few heretics are formally excommunicated.  

Caiaphas, the high priest, sitting on the "chair of Moses," was a heretic, and not only was he recognized as such by Jesus Christ and later the Apostles, he was able to prophecy the truth in virtue of his office.  What was established by God can only be overthrown by God and what happened to the Jєωιѕн high priest in 70 AD will, in an analogous manner, happen to our heretical popes in Rome just as it happened in 1527.  

The mercenary armies of the Catholic emperor Charles V were Protestants.  He marched on Rome in 1527 because of Rome entered into a political alliance with king of France.  The sack of Rome was far exceeding in brutality and duration than even the sacks by the Vandals in 455 or the Visigoths in 410.  

Roberto de Mattei wrote:

This cleansing of Rome by God was necessary for its purification leading to the Council of Trent.  A cleansing of the same nature but of greater intensity is coming to Rome soon enough.  You don't have to do anything but keep the faith, use dogma as your rule, pray and do penance.  God will take care of the rest.

I do not understand your point of posting the condemned proposition of the heretic Hus so I will not comment.  

Drew

Nonsense. Again note the bait-and switch:
He claims that being a heretic universally does no eo ipso separate one from the Church, but only argues for the special case of the Pope! Quod erat demonstrandum? 
In their hypotheticals, assuming the possibility of a heretic pope, the famed theologians concluded that occult heresy would not sever a pope from the Church for the reason you cite; what you fail to mention is that these same men, like Bellarmine, Cajetan, etc., considered it impossible for a pope to become a heretic in the first place.
The conclusion, in other words, begins from a false premise and leads to a reductio ad absurdum in which personal faith is necessary for membership of the Church, but that membership remains for a loss of personal faith that remains private for otherwise we could have no knowledge that any man is truly Pope! The contrived nature of this ad hoc hypothesis is so evident, yet you would rather accept this bit if sophistry than accept the actual opinion of these theologians you implicitly reference, which is that a pope cannot lose his faith in the first place. As if it made an ontological difference whether or not ones loss of faith were known to other men!

But to get to the root of things:

What we see here is the precise same underlying theology that leads the R&R/SSPX types to claim that persons can be saved without faith in Jesus Christ, contra Trent, contra the Athanasian Creed, and contra the entire New Testament. The Catholic FAITH is essential to us being members of the Church; it is not just what brings us into Her, in a once-odd causative sense, but is the ontological foundation of that membership. The Supernatural faith received in the Sacrament of Baptism is the ESSENCE of membership of Christ’s mystical body - there IS no membership without that faith in the same sense that there is no will without its freedom, no bachelorhood without unmarriedness, and no circle without a circuмference.

Not true. Manifest heresy severs a man from the Church materially. If not, then the ipso facto excommunication has no meaning.

A non-heretical mortal sinner has the means to be reconciled to God through confession but the heretic has lost membership and the means to be reconciled.

A Catholic does not need to wait around to be told by the Church that so and so was a heretic in order to break communion with said heretic. A Catholic also knows that a Pope cannot teach heresy and commit public apostasy. Therefore the only conclusion to come to is that these men are not Popes. They cannot be or Our Lord lied. Since there is no teaching or evidence that a Pope can actually become a heretic, and strong evidence that he cannot, we must conclude that these men were never elected; whether by prior manifest heresy/apostasy or invalid elections themselves.

You do not agree with Pope Vigilius. You are saying the individual needs to be condemned first, the anathema must come prior to the exit, thereby denying that he has cut himself off.

An Even Seven,

The belief that in the external forum any one is free to impose an ipso facto penalty is a serious error and grave injustice.  You want to be Lord of the Harvest and should stop pretending otherwise.
 
There are plenty of examples in criminal law of ipso facto penalities, such as, a robbery committed with a gun may impose a mandatory sentence of 10 years.  Regardless of the ipso facto penalty, a charge and conviction is required before any ipso facto penalty in the external forum can be imposed.

God imposes ipso facto penalties in the internal forum and sometimes He does in the external forum as well, but man must judge by external facts and you are not authorized by God to be the judge.  Those who usurp judgment will bring judgment upon themselves.

Drew

"DULL"? With almost 36K viewings? Even you, can't stay away it seems.