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Author Topic: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?  (Read 480733 times)

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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #880 on: April 30, 2018, 11:24:08 AM »
Produce the quote.
A. "Unfortunately, this is an error. It is a misconception of papal infallibility because since the Council of Vatican I, when the dogma of infallibility was proclaimed, the pope was already infallible. This was not a sudden invention. Infallibility was then far better understood than it is now because it was well known then that the pope was not infallible on everything under the sun.....

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #881 on: April 30, 2018, 01:06:14 PM »
Great, but this doesn't mean that the post-Vatican I theological treatises can all be dismissed by clowns like you who can barely read English simply because it was "better" understood back then.  Nor is "misunderstood" the opposite of "better understood", rather it's "less understood".  Nor does it make his statement true.  +ABL also said that infidels could be saved.

In any case, see the video I just linked to above where +ABL says that it's not possible for the Pope, who has the protection of the Holy Spirit, to do the things that he has done ... and going on to speculate that the Holy See could be vacant.  It's well known that +Lefebvre went all over the place on the Pope question at various points in his life.
You either post the thing I asked you to post, i.e. quote from any of the pre-V1 "all theologians" who taught Universal Discipline that you falsely accused teaching this NO doctrine, or admit you lied. It's not complicated.

Do you have even the foggiest idea what a Universal Discipline even is? Neither did the pre-V1 theologians you clown.


Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #882 on: April 30, 2018, 02:34:03 PM »
You either post the thing I asked you to post, i.e. quote from any of the pre-V1 "all theologians" who taught Universal Discipline that you falsely accused teaching this NO doctrine, or admit you lied. It's not complicated.

Do you have even the foggiest idea what a Universal Discipline even is? Neither did the pre-V1 theologians you clown.
V1 wasn't the beginning of NO you bumbling idiot. 

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #883 on: April 30, 2018, 02:57:20 PM »
V1 wasn't the beginning of NO you bumbling idiot.
You need to read what I wrote you bumbling idiot.

Care to try again?


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Since sometime after V1, as +ABL said, infallibility has gotten misunderstood. Infallibility is no longer limited to the pope when he speaks ex cathedra, rather, SOMEONE (some theologians after V1) has wrongfully convinced the masses that *infallibility has been extended* to disciplines, to whatever the pope wants, says or teaches, to whatever the unanimity of bishops teach, to councils, canon laws, catechisms and even to theologians themselves.

The thing to do when trying to make sense of this subject - according to the teachings of the Church, is to be sure to always start with the pope in the Chair as your foundation. If that is not your foundation, you will forever argue in circles and never be able to ever make any sense of this situation. You will need to invent novelties like "canonical submission" and "disciplinary infallibility" etc. - all terms that sound like something but in reality are only the tools used by workers of iniquity.

Offline drew

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #884 on: April 30, 2018, 07:25:53 PM »
If you want to argue that Vatican II Council is NOT an Ecunemical Council of the Church, that is fine. Explain your reasons. But what you cannot do is picking and choosing what to accept and what to reject from a General Council promulgated by the legitimate authority. You cannot "recognize" errors in an Ecunemical Council and "resist" them on your own accord.

The Council of Trent says as condemned:

Mr. Drew says:

Tridentine definitions such as the one above are simply TRUE, without the "ifs"

Cantarella,

Your quotation is not from the Council of Trent.  It is from the decree Exsurge Domine from Pope Leo X in 1520 condemning the errors of Luther.  It is a important decree, but alas, what you are quoting is not a Dogma.  How is it that you cannot recognize a Dogma when you read one? 

How have you become so stupid so as to take an article from the condemnation of Luther out of context to defend your absurd claim that Vatican II must therefore be "infallible" and accepted in every detail?

The pope is your rule of faith.  I have known this for a long time. You believe that he possess a personal "never-failing faith," an infallible infallibility, and fallible infallibility.  You have made him into a god but not a big enough god that you cannot get rid of him whenever it suits.  

The condemnations of Luther apply directly and explicitly to your church because you, like Luther, have no pope and no magisterium.  As I said before:


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"You are in a church that has no pope, no magisterium, no dogma, no moral compass, no intention or material and instrumental means to ever correct these manifest defects.  You are right here and now in a church that cannot be Catholic.  Whatever problems I have to address, they are nothing compared to yours.  There must have been an insufferable stench aboard the Ark but you prefer treading water.  Good luck."

Drew


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