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Author Topic: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?  (Read 440814 times)

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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #840 on: April 27, 2018, 12:32:14 PM »
Quote from: forlorn on April 27, 2018, 12:28:33 PM
http://w2.vatican.va/content/paul-vi/en/apost_constitutions/docuмents/hf_p-vi_apc_19690403_missale-romanum.html
No, no, it needs to say something along the lines of:

"We specifically command each and every patriarch, administrator, and all other persons or whatever ecclesiastical dignity they may be, be they even cardinals of the Holy Roman Church, or possessed of any other rank or pre-eminence, and We order them in virtue of holy obedience to chant or to read the Mass according to the rite and manner and norm herewith laid down by Us and, hereafter, to discontinue and completely discard all other rubrics and rites of other missals, however ancient, which they have customarily followed; and they must not in celebrating Mass presume to introduce any ceremonies or recite any prayers other than those contained in this Missal."

Now THAT'S a command. Understand?
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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #841 on: April 27, 2018, 12:36:25 PM »
Quote from: Stubborn on April 27, 2018, 12:32:14 PM
No, no, it needs to say something along the lines of:

"We specifically command each and every patriarch, administrator, and all other persons or whatever ecclesiastical dignity they may be, be they even cardinals of the Holy Roman Church, or possessed of any other rank or pre-eminence, and We order them in virtue of holy obedience to chant or to read the Mass according to the rite and manner and norm herewith laid down by Us and, hereafter, to discontinue and completely discard all other rubrics and rites of other missals, however ancient, which they have customarily followed; and they must not in celebrating Mass presume to introduce any ceremonies or recite any prayers other than those contained in this Missal."

Now THAT'S a command. Understand?
It doesn't matter how it's worded. What matters is that the Pope commanded it in both cases and both Missals became law. 
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In conclusion, we wish to give the force of law to all that we have set forth concerning the new Roman Missal.
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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #842 on: April 27, 2018, 12:43:46 PM »
Quote from: forlorn on April 27, 2018, 12:36:25 PM
It doesn't matter how it's worded. What matters is that the Pope commanded it in both cases and both Missals became law.
"We wish" to give force of law = command? Again, how long have you been in the NO now? And yes, it does matter how it is worded.
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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #843 on: April 27, 2018, 12:50:59 PM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on April 27, 2018, 12:48:15 PM
Uhm, the Holy Spirit, through the gift of infallibility.
Uhm, The holy Spirit was promised to the successors of Peter not so that they might, by his revelation, make known some new doctrine, but that, by his assistance, they might religiously guard and faithfully expound the revelation or deposit of faith transmitted by the apostles. - First Vatican Council

Try again.

As I said, "The reason this crisis has gotten to this point is because people believed the lies they were taught, the lie that whatever the pope said/taught/wanted was infallible and infallibly safe, that whatever the pope in union with all the bishops of the world teach, is infallible, that all councils are by default, infallible, and each of these lies require our absolute obedience, submission of faith and allegiance or we'd go to hell."

Ergo, you do not know what you're talking about.
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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #844 on: April 27, 2018, 12:59:15 PM »
Quote from: Stubborn on April 27, 2018, 12:43:46 PM
"We wish" to give force of law = command? Again, how long have you been in the NO now? And yes, it does matter how it is worded.
The Pope decides Canon Law. Whatever he wishes to be Canon Law becomes Canon Law. And as I already quoted, he ordered that the Missal be brought into effect. 
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