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Author Topic: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?  (Read 441232 times)

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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #835 on: April 27, 2018, 12:14:33 PM »
Quote from: forlorn on April 27, 2018, 12:11:35 PM
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I asked: And if Pope Paul was a valid pope, what stopped him from promulgating a conciliar liturgy?
I'd assume the fact that he commanded the Catholic Church to teach it, and that he never created or mentioned any entity called the Conciliar Church. The Conciliar Church is just a term R&Rs invented for people who actually obey the Pope they see as valid. Unlike R&Rs who bafflingly believe that Pope Paul VI was valid but that his liturgy is false and impious.
What command? See how brainwashed you are? He never commanded anything, not in the whole of his papacy. How long have you been in the NO anyway?

Also, I believe it was Pope Paul VI who originally coined the term Conciliar church - and what was it that stopped him from promulgating a conciliar liturgy again?
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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #836 on: April 27, 2018, 12:21:29 PM »
Quote from: Stubborn on April 27, 2018, 12:14:33 PM
I'd assume the fact that he commanded the Catholic Church to teach it, and that he never created or mentioned any entity called the Conciliar Church. The Conciliar Church is just a term R&Rs invented for people who actually obey the Pope they see as valid. Unlike R&Rs who bafflingly believe that Pope Paul VI was valid but that his liturgy is false and impious.

What command? See how brainwashed you are? He never commanded anything, not in the whole of his papacy. How long have you been in the NO anyway?
The command that the clergy use the Novus Ordo rite. 
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #837 on: April 27, 2018, 12:24:57 PM »
Quote from: Cantarella on April 27, 2018, 12:21:09 PM
Vatican I is telling you explicitly that you are bound to true obedience to the Sovereign Pontiff not only in matters of Faith and morals; but also in discipline and government.

Regardless of what you think a liturgical rite falls under: being a matter or Faith, of morals, of discipline, or government, you are required to obey the Pope, as per dogmatic teaching.
If an angel from heaven were to come down and preach lies, we are to let him be anathema - are we not? If the pope preaches lies, we are to let him be anathema - are we not? Sede's say they believe but really don't, that popes cannot preach lies - that is a lie they were taught and believe is a dogma, which only serves to prove they do not know what dogma even is.

God gave us the use of reason for a reason. We are expected to know what evil is no matter where it comes from so no, not "regardless of what you think", that is the point, we are expected to think, to know right from wrong - or we will NEVER make it to heaven.
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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #838 on: April 27, 2018, 12:25:28 PM »
Quote from: forlorn on April 27, 2018, 12:21:29 PM
The command that the clergy use the Novus Ordo rite.
Wrong. Try again.
He never commanded that the clergy use the NO rite.
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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #839 on: April 27, 2018, 12:28:33 PM »
Quote from: Stubborn on April 27, 2018, 12:25:28 PM
Wrong. Try again.
He never commanded that the clergy use the NO rite.
http://w2.vatican.va/content/paul-vi/en/apost_constitutions/docuмents/hf_p-vi_apc_19690403_missale-romanum.html

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We order that the prescriptions of this Constitution go into effect November 30th of this year, the first Sunday of Advent.

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