Author Topic: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd? (Read 441508 times)

drew · « **Reply #795 on:** April 25, 2018, 08:07:46 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on April 25, 2018, 12:22:07 PM

Pathetic, SeanJohnnson.

Drew is objectively guilty of calumny. He has accused me of embracing the Protestant heresy that the Magisterium is not revealed truth, and then has persisted in this calumny after I demonstrated to him that I did no such thing. His accusation was based on his ignorance of the English language. I corrected him with with a citation from dictionary.com which showed my use of the term as definition #1, and his definition #2. Yet even after that he persists in making this accusation, that I have embraced and promoted this heresy.

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« Reply #293 on: March 21, 2018, 08:17:44 AM »

Drew, your fight is against St. Thomas and all Catholic theologians, not with me.

I'm not even going to bother with your last post. You can't seem to understand concepts as being formally distinct from one another. You act stunned when I wrote that the Magisterium is not part of God's Revelation. Magisterium is in fact formally distinct from Revelation. In Revelation, God reveals His truth to us. With Magisterium, the Church teaches and interprets and explains said truth. It is not the Church's teaching authority which REVEALS the truth. In fact, Vatican I clearly explained that papal Magisterium (in the context of infallibility) is to given to reveal new truth but merely to explain and protect it. If you cannot understand how these are different, then I just can't help you. Then your post goes downhill from there.

You made the claim that "the Magisterium is not part of God's revelation. Magisterium is in fact formally distinct from Revelation" after you read in the Catholic encyclopedia that the Magisterium was "extrinsic" to divine revelation. You said it not once but several times. After this unthinking blunder was corrected you pretended to be making an esoteric distinction between the "content of revelation" and the "act of revelation." Unfortunately for your argument, the Magisterium is just as much a part of the "act of revelation" as it is a part of the "content of revelation."

The whole matter would have been dropped but for your arrogant attempt to lie your way out of a huge error. Call it "calumny" if you like and I will keep re-posting your own words for the benefit of anyone thinking you know what you are talking about.

Drew

drew · « **Reply #796 on:** April 25, 2018, 08:25:50 PM »

Quote from: Cantarella on April 25, 2018, 07:20:27 PM

Bellarmine clearly specifies the two most important elements involved in a Pontiff and he himself mentions an existing distinction between the "matter" (person) and the "form" (Divine Assistance) of the pontificate:

Cantarella,

Sedeprivationism concerns the office itself, not the person. It postulates that the a person (the pope) can materially possess the office but not possess the jurisdiction (which is conferred upon the pope directly by God) of the office. It separates the form and the matter of the office itself which would cause a substantial change in the office which God has revealed will exist and be perpetually occupied until the consummation of the world. This divine revelation has been formally defined by the Magisterium and is therefore a Dogma, a formal object of divine and Catholic faith.

Drew

hismajesty · « **Reply #797 on:** April 26, 2018, 02:29:32 AM »

Quote from: Mr G on April 25, 2018, 04:51:10 PM

Thank you for your reply and explanation.

The resistance position is clear. It has always been clear.
The last thing we need is Fr. Kramer couching his sedevacantism in legalistic arguments that no one cares about.

Maria Regina · « **Reply #798 on:** April 26, 2018, 03:37:03 AM »

I welcome Fr. Paul's (Don Paolo's) view, and I hope he continues to post here at CathInfo.

We need to make informed decisions. Note, he is not saying that the Seat is empty as it is still occupied by Pope Benedict.
Thus, he is not a sedevacantist.

May God grant him many years.

Maria Auxiliadora · « **Reply #799 on:** April 26, 2018, 12:41:30 PM »

Ladislaus, are you dumb or just maliciously twisting what your opponents say?

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