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Author Topic: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?  (Read 442089 times)

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Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #775 on: April 25, 2018, 05:21:09 AM »


He has an account on CathInfo on his own name, why not use it? I have witnessed Fr. Kramer using different names (2 or 3) to support his own position and being exposed as Fr. Kramer only 2-3 years ago.

Offline Stubborn

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #776 on: April 25, 2018, 06:33:01 AM »
No, the Immaculate Conception was not held as divinely revealed by the OUM.  Otherwise, there need not even have been a solemn definition.
I told you one of the reasons for solemn definition - "One of the many reasons the pope solemnly defines a doctrine, is to erase all opposing opinions - for all time."

Go back and actually read my post quoting Pope Pius IX from Ineffabilis Deus and you will find he explains it most beautifully, I quoted a part of it below for you. He literally says that the Catholic Church has ever held the Immaculate Conception as divinely revealed. Where he says "and as contained in the deposit of heavenly revelation", he is saying the doctrine has always been contained in the ordinary and universal magisterium - that's what he is saying.

Why are you saying it was not held as divinely revealed by the OUM? I assume by that, you mean it was never held as divinely revealed by the Church, so what you are saying as if it is truth, is a word for word contradiction of the below infallible teaching.

"The Catholic Church, directed by the Holy Spirit of God, is the pillar and base of truth and has ever held as divinely revealed and as contained in the deposit of heavenly revelation this doctrine concerning the original innocence of the august Virgin — a doctrine which is so perfectly in harmony with her wonderful sanctity and preeminent dignity as Mother of God — and thus has never ceased to explain, to teach and to foster this doctrine age after age in many ways and by solemn acts.." - Ineffabilis Deus

What you cannot accept is what the Church, in this instance through Pope Pius IX, teaches, namely, whether or not the teaching is contained in the Ordinary and Universal Magisterium or the Extraordinary Magisterium, they are both infallible. There is no difference because the Church's Magisterium is only always infallible.

Contrary to the NO ideas you keep promoting as Church teachings and all theologians' teachings and the magisterium's teachings and dogma of faith teachings, dogmas are defined, not not made up, not by popes and not by the totality of bishops in union with the pope. Dogmas are truths or doctrines, that have always been contained in the Church's Magisterium, just exactly as pope Pius IX teaches.


Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #777 on: April 25, 2018, 07:11:04 AM »
I don't really think he is trying to mask his identity at all. He already had posted this publicly on his Facebook page before he commented publicly about having posted it here. No need to get all aggressive about it. Especially when you consider that "Don" and the first name is the normal way of naming a priest in Italian.
I wonder if he realizes that he posted his comments in the wrong thread though.  Wouldn't his response make more sense if it was included in the other SJ thread?
https://www.cathinfo.com/sspx-resistance-news/are-sedevacantists-clueless-about-st-bellarmine's-true-position/

Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #778 on: April 25, 2018, 11:32:04 AM »
Whoever says I have another account under a different name than the name on this account is stating a falsehood.

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #779 on: April 25, 2018, 12:07:44 PM »
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You reduce the non-infallible Magisterium to nothing more than a man or a group of men opining about various doctrinal matters.
The magisterium can be infallible outside of solemn pronouncements.  One of the ways is the determination that something has been taught 'everywhere, always and by all'.  This means that such teaching is CONSTANT (i.e. taught everywhere) and UNIVERSAL (taught always) and TRADITIONAL (i.e. taught by all the Apostles or all the Church Fathers).

The non-infallible magisterium, IF IT CANNOT SHOW THAT ITS TEACHING IS CONSTANT, UNIVERSAL AND TRADITIONAL, can be questioned or ignored, as the situation deems necessary.

You cannot elevate the non-fallible magisterium to more than religious assent (i.e. a respected opinion) unless it agrees with the above 3 conditions.  And it is the DUTY of the magisterium to MAKE IT CLEAR that their teaching fulfills the above 3 conditions, otherwise they have not shown it is a 'matter of faith' but just thier opinion.