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Author Topic: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?  (Read 441524 times)

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #90 on: March 13, 2018, 10:06:08 AM »
I am honestly in disbelief that we have Catholics here who have no concept about the Catholic Magisterium ... and who seem to follow a religion that's closer to both Protestantism and schismatic Orthodoxy than it is to Catholicism. 
Yeah, a lot of them are "dogmatic" sedes who are converts from Protestantism, too. A bunch of them on Facebook issuing their "bulls" and "encyclicals" to everyone. :laugh1: They act like some Catholic theologian after having converted from being a Protty or secularism only 3 years ago. Some of them haven't even had Confirmation, and others are home-aloner schizoids, despite a valid Tridentine Latin or eastern rite Mass available to them, but they think they can school everyone on the Catholic Faith.

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #91 on: March 13, 2018, 10:14:19 AM »
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DOGMA + MAGISTERIUM = object of supernatural faith
Agree.


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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #92 on: March 13, 2018, 12:00:13 PM »
Can the magisterium issue NEW teachings of the Faith?
Can the magisterium change articles of Faith?
Can the magisterium get rid of articles of Faith?

The answer to this is 'no' because EVERY article of Faith that we are required to hold now, is the same that was required of the Apostles and of 1st century christians, either explicitly or implicitly.  Therefore, when you argue that the magisterium is 'always reliably safe' or something along those lines, you are indirectly giving them freedom to add/subtract from the Faith, which freedom they do not have - because the FAITH CANNOT CHANGE.  The Faith came before the Church, since the Faith existed (imperfectly) in the Old Testament.  As Christ said "I came not to destroy but to fulfill." 

As Christ warned us 'beware of wolves in sheep's clothing."  Who would He be warning us about, except the hierarchy?  Why did St Paul need to rebuke St Peter, if the magisterium is always 'safe'? 

When one says that 'dogma is the rule of faith', the way I understand it is that dogma refers to 1) articles of faith and 2) infallible declarations by previous magisteriums.  Therefore, dogma covers all REQUIRED beliefs. 

If the current pope/magisterium fallibly contradicts an article of faith or previous infallible statement (yes, it can happen), then they are anathema, as St Paul told us.  There's no other way to understand it and this view is completely Catholic. 

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #93 on: March 13, 2018, 12:03:44 PM »
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If the Magisterium, attempting to act Infallibly, could endanger faith, lead souls to hell, or even just cause them harm, it would have defected.  
Fixed your comment above. 

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #94 on: March 13, 2018, 12:05:01 PM »
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Catholicism 103:  The Pope is the principle and center, of the unity of faith.
True, but he's not the author of the articles of faith, he's just the guardian of it...if he stays orthodox.