Author Topic: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd? (Read 440488 times)

Smedley Butler · « **Reply #50 on:** March 11, 2018, 12:17:33 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on March 11, 2018, 11:24:40 AM

Someone just posted that Father Ringrose does not put the name of Francis in the Canon, and that he believes Francis has no authority. So, what does that make him in your eyes?

Doesn't his school teach Baal worship in their science classes, and yet you're promoting it?

Are you saying you do not support Catholic schools because they teach the Church-condemned error of pagan Greek heliocentrism?

PG · « **Reply #51 on:** March 11, 2018, 12:18:46 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on March 11, 2018, 12:00:29 PM

Yep. I attack you for not applying the same standard to Francis. He's far more hereticaler than many, even most, NO bishops.

One cannot apply those standards to francis. Fr. chazal has even clearly said in his privation lecture that we the church do not have the instruments to formally assess the state of the papacy/francis. We cannot judge the pope a formal heretic. And, there is no historical precedent of a perfect or imperfect council, or any council for that matter judging a pope a heretic or judging a pope to not have authority. It has never happened, and I contend it will never happen. The pope can not be judged, and will never be a formal heretic. That is my standard. And, when applied, my theory and thinking is sound.

Pax Vobis · « **Reply #52 on:** March 11, 2018, 12:41:14 PM »

Smedley Butler · « **Reply #53 on:** March 11, 2018, 01:16:29 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on March 11, 2018, 12:22:16 PM

Uhm, no, my question was why YOU support it despite the fact that "they teach the Church-condemned error of pagan Greek heliocentrism" (as YOU put it).

I support Catholic schools.
I cannot control the error of the heliocentric revolution that devasted the Church.

drew · « **Reply #54 on:** March 11, 2018, 01:55:27 PM »

Quote from: Cantarella on March 11, 2018, 11:58:43 AM

Not today, in the absence of a true Pope, whom alone this Authority would derive from.

Let me ask, where is the formal authority existing (in practicality) for the R&R camp today anyway?

Authority is an attribute of the Church primarily and only secondarily and accidentally an attribute of the pope. Those who make the pope the rule of faith have a problem when he is a heretic with the exercise of authority. Those who make dogma the rule of faith can deal with the corruption of authority.

Sedeprivationists destroy the papal office by dissolving the unity of its form and matter. Sedevacantists destroy the papal office by permanently getting rid of it. R&R recognizes the authority but its obedience is directed by the virtue of Religion. For this, like the man born blind, we have been excommunicated from the Novus Ordo. No surprise here. So you can argue about the “practicality” of R&R but it does not lead to intellectual vacuum or doctrinal and moral dead end that is incompatible with revealed truth.

Drew

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