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Author Topic: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?  (Read 440912 times)

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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #995 on: May 09, 2018, 08:23:47 AM »
You have completely lost your Catholic bearings.  YOU denounce the Pope every single day.  We say that he's not the Pope.  And it has precious little to do with feeling superior ... it's about the indefectibility and incorruptibility of the Church's Magisterium and Universal Discipline, something which you do not believe.  Your concept of the Church lines up with that of Luther and the other Prot heretics.
They must have really put you through the ringer at your NO and sede theology courses.

St. Vincent's teaching testifies against all things sede, that includes your personal, confused and consistent contradictory opinions.  


 

Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #996 on: May 09, 2018, 09:59:21 AM »
How are y'all still going on about the "evils" of R&R when +Bellarmine CLEARLY says that a bad pope should be ignored.  He also says that the faithful can discern if he be a good or bad pope by USING THEIR BRAINS to compare orthodoxy with any novelties.  He also says that the people cannot depose a bad pope.  All of what +Bellarmine says is the general mindset of many non-sede clerics who lived pre/post V2 (+ABL, Fr Wathen, Fr DePauw, +Castro Meyer, etc, etc).  All of you who contend that R&R is heretical are contradicting +Bellarmine.

“I respond that the people indeed ought to discern a true from a false prophet, but not by any other rule than by diligently attending to whether he that is preaching says things contrary to those which were said by his predecessors, or else contrary to those things which are preached by the other legitimate pastors, and especially the Apostolic See, which is the principal Church; …

Moreover, it should be observed that, on the one hand, the people, by the rule which we have laid down, can indeed discern a true prophet from a false one; but, on the other hand, they cannot, for all that, depose the false prophet, if he be a bishop, and substitute another in his place.  For the Lord and the Apostle command only that the people not hear false prophets, and not that they depose them.  And certainly the practice of the Church has always been thus, that heretical bishops be deposed by bishops’ councils or by the supreme pontiffs.”


Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #997 on: May 09, 2018, 10:22:18 AM »
The Campos priests in making their deal with Ecclesia Dei, Bishop De Castro Mayer’s own writings and testimony from the 1988 episcopal consecrations all suggest that he favored the sede vacante position as a valid Catholic opinion. 

Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #998 on: May 09, 2018, 05:14:02 PM »
Still waiting for Mr. Drew to answer how is it that manifest heresy does not destroy the Papal Office.

The belief that a Pope cannot be a heretic is rooted in the dogma that manifest heretics are outside the Church. They are not members.


Patience is a virtue. Mr Drew has a very demanding profession and has had an extremely busy week and Mass tomorrow night for Ascension Thursday. You may have to wait another day, maybe two.

Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #999 on: May 09, 2018, 08:06:24 PM »
Cantarella:
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Still waiting for Mr. Drew to answer how is it that manifest heresy does not destroy the Papal Office.

You have some doubt that he will answer?  Of course he will answer; and he will probably do so lengthily.  He feeds off forum members like you, Cant.  You energize and abet his long winded effusions.