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Author Topic: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?  (Read 441765 times)

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #95 on: March 13, 2018, 12:08:30 PM »
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Catholicism 102:  Church's lawful Rite of Mass cannot be harmful and is guaranteed to please God because Christ gave it to us.

Fixed the above.  Not specific enough.
The novus ordo is not a lawful rite and is essentially different from the True Mass, therefore it's not from the Church and is not protected by indefectibility.
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« Reply #96 on: March 13, 2018, 12:31:04 PM »
Lawfullness and validity are completely separate issues.  I'm not going to go into the novus ordo's illegality...that's been covered before.
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« Reply #97 on: March 13, 2018, 01:15:44 PM »
So, Bellator, according to your logic, the pope can change the words of consecration?  He can change what Christ instituted?
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« Reply #98 on: March 13, 2018, 01:20:36 PM »
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If the Magisterium could endanger faith, lead souls to hell, or even just cause them harm, it would have defected.  
Ladislaus and Cantarella,
If you believe the above, then how can you believe in Fr Chazal's explanation of sedeprivationism?  If you believe the magisterium/pope cannot defect, then how can you believe he is in heresy and has lost his spiritual office? 
To me, Fr Chazal's viewpoint where the pope loses his spiritual office when he loses his faith, is proof that the magisterium can defect.  Because the defection from the truth was not official, then such a defection is not of the Church, but just of the churchmen.
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« Reply #99 on: March 13, 2018, 01:25:06 PM »
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No, the entire point is that these men do NOT exercise Magisterium.
Yes, but since when?  At what point did +Francis lose his spiritual office?  Was the Synod not an exercise of the magisterium?
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