This must be the silliest argument I have heard for a while. Hopefully, those who are not participating in this thread realize the extent that R&R must go in order to support their nonsense.
I am starting to wonder, Mr. Drew, if you are actually responding to ME in this thread or just copying and pasting from other articles you write, which are actually quite irrelevant to my replies.
In the previous post, I used the exact wording posted by Fr. Kramer. Posted by YOU:
My question:
What makes Mr. Kramer and you think that the Pope of Rome falls into the rank of "any ecclesiastical pastor"?
Cantarella,
Corrupting a translation, or using a corrupted translation, of a dogma (or for that matter, any papal docuмent) is a grave sin and canonical crime which carries a penalty of excommunication. You have used a translation that serious Catholics have been addressing for more than 40 years because the corruption destroys the meaning of God's revealed truth. You are the first I have ever heard characterize this crime as
"one of the silliest arguments I have heard in a long time." I am very pleased to have the comments of Fr. Gregory Hesse explaining the implications of your error to others, but his explanation is unfortunately lost on you.
Fr. Hesse also addressed the question you have concerning the pope being an
"ecclesiastical pastor." But since he did not convince you, a simple method is to examine the Magisterial docuмent
Pastor Aeternus (Eternal Pastor) from Vatican I. The word "pastor" derives from the Latin noun
pastor which means "shepherd" and relates to the Latin verb
pascere – "to lead to pasture, set to grazing, cause to eat". The term "pastor" also relates to the role of elder within the New Testament (Wiki). The very charge to St. Peter from Jesus Christ to,
"feed My lambs, feed My sheep," means
'to pastor' His flock. The metaphor of the Good Shepherd is intended to give the same teaching. The word,
"ecclesiastical" is the adjective of ecclesia which means
"Church". You are denying that the pope is an "ecclesiastical pastor." He is so be definition. In fact, if the pope were not an "ecclesiastical pastor", He could not be the chief
"ecclesiastical pastor" of the entire Church. Vatican I, in the
Magisterial docuмent, Pastor Aeternus, uses the term
"pastor" to refer specifically to the pope.
And it was to Peter alone that Jesus, after his resurrection, confided the jurisdiction of Supreme Pastor and ruler of his whole fold, saying: "Feed my lambs, feed my sheep".
Vatican I, Pastor Aeternus
This power of the Supreme Pontiff by no means detracts from that ordinary and immediate power of episcopal jurisdiction, by which bishops, who have succeeded to the place of the apostles by appointment of the Holy Spirit, tend and govern individually the particular flocks which have been assigned to them. On the contrary, this power of theirs is asserted, supported and defended by the Supreme and Universal Pastor; for St. Gregory the Great says: "My honor is the honor of the whole Church. My honor is the steadfast strength of my brethren. Then do I receive true honor, when it is denied to none of those to whom honor is due."
Vatican I, Pastor Aeternus
So if you want to know
"what makes me think that the pope in Rome falls into the rank of 'any ecclesiastical pastor'", it is the declarations from the Magisteriuim of the Church. And if you want to know
"who makes me think that the pope in Rome falls into the rank of 'any ecclesiastical pastor'", it is God.
Drew