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Quote from: drew on Today at 01:55:27 PM
Authority is an attribute of the Church primarily and only secondarily and accidentally an attribute of the pope. Those who make the pope the rule of faith have a problem when he is a heretic with the exercise of authority. Those who make dogma the rule of faith can deal with the corruption of authority


But the rule of Faith is neither. The Pope nor the Dogma are the proximate rule of Faith; but the living Magisterium of the Church.
Once one arrives to such realization, then the conclusion is completely different.

Cantarella,

You should begin at the end which is obviously not Catholic. Sedevacantist are in a church that has no pope, has no intention of getting one, and has no mechanism to get one. Their church cannot be the Church founded by Jesus Christ because it is absent a necessary attribute. If this fact is not enough to make any sedevacantist rethink the problem, then there is really nothing that can be done for them.

I was reading Rev. Joseph Pohle’s The Author of Nature and Supernature a few days ago and was actually surprised to see him directly and explicitly refer to dogma as the rule of faith before he begins his theological exposition on a different questions address in the book.  Maybe if you read it repeated several times by someone whose opinion you respect you would get this first and essential point correct. The book can be read on line.

If I ask you, "What is the Catholic faith regarding the necessity of Baptism?", are you going to send a letter to the “living magisterium” to get the answer?  You agree, I hope, that the remote rule of faith is Scripture and Tradition which is divine revelation.  Do you believe that Dogma is divine revelation? Should it surprise you to learn that the proximate rule of faith is also “divine revelation”?  

What you may not know is that the term “living magisterium” is a relative neologism. The earliest entry on the question is found in the 1912 edition of the Catholic Encyclopedia under “Tradition and the Living Magisterium” written by Rev. J. Bainvel. Also, what you may not know is that Rev. Bainvel is also the author of the book, “Is There Salvation Outside the Catholic Church?” which teaches that there is a disjunction between the body and the soul of the Church and just about every non-Catholic is a member of the soul of the Church, and being a member of the soul of the Church is all that is necessary for salvation.  Therefore any Hindu as a Hindu, Jew as a Jew, Moslem as a Moslem, etc., etc., can obtain salvation by being secret members of the “soul of the Church”.  All this was made possible by first creating the “living magisterium” which permits the mutation of Catholic doctrine and, of course, setting aside dogma as the rule of faith.  

Drew

You should begin at the end which is obviously not Catholic. Sedevacantist are in a church that has no pope, has no intention of getting one, and has no mechanism to get one. Their church cannot be the Church founded by Jesus Christ because it is absent a necessary attribute. If this fact is not enough to make any sedevacantist rethink the problem, then there is really nothing that can be done for them.

Sedevacantists (of which I am not) and other similar groups did not found a new church anymore than Bishop de Castro Mayer did when his priests were expelled from their churches by Bishop Navarro and built new churches to offer the true Mass right near or beside the diocesan churches! They all run off of the same concept: the papal claimant cannot be obeyed because to do such would be to disobey Divine law.
Only a true conciliar apologist would make such a statement. Total newchurch speak. Let me quote Bishop Tissier from the 2012 Winona priestly ordinations when he said "this newchurch is no church but a poison poisoning the Church!".
Nice try to derail the thread and bury everything in ten tons of pages running circles around the EENS dogma and feenyism.

Bishop Donald Sanborn teaches the exact opposite. He says the Pope is the "living rule of faith for the entire Church". I quote:

That is correct.  Sedevacantists (with only one exception that I know of), like conservative Catholics, hold the pope as the rule of faith. The conservatives believe the pope is rule of faith so they do everything he does.  Sedevacantists hold the pope as the rule of faith and say he cannot be the pope.  I had a recent exchange with Emmett O'Regan a conservative author and publicist who believes that the pope is the rule of faith and possess a "never failing faith."  In the exchange, it is interesting to see that his arguments regarding the pope are the same arguments offered by sedevacantist. 

Drew