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Offline drew

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #1135 on: May 21, 2018, 08:33:49 PM »
Quote from: Cantarella on May 21, 2018, 08:05:13 PM
Well...I guess then that your Church has manifestly defected in Her divine mission of preserving the Sacred worship of God, given the promulgation of the Novus Ordo Mass which the "Holy Father" himself has publicly said for decades, along with millions and millions of Catholics around the world.

Cantarella,
 
You are immune to reason and Magisterial authority therefore any exchange with you is a waste of time.  This little trite comment of yours has been addressed repeatedly.   Do you need specific references like Ladislaus to know which of your errors have already been corrected?
 
Indefectibility is a divine Attribute of the Church given to her by Jesus Christ that constitutes primarily a power to insure that His Church will always worship God and sanctify the faithful.  The Indefectibility of the Church is proven by the fact that this has never been absent from the Church despite the heresy of conciliar popes.  Those who keep Dogma as the rule of faith will always be able to negotiate these perilous times, but many will lose their souls because they believe the Church of Christ has "defected," they will look for a church of their own making to take its place.
 
The church to which you belong is of your own making.  It is permanently defective of necessary attributes of the Catholic Church.  Your church is not the Catholic Church.  You are at a dead end where the only comfort is to see that as many as possible share your despair because, it is true, misery loves company.  
 
Drew 
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Offline Maria Auxiliadora

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #1136 on: May 21, 2018, 09:31:14 PM »
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Offline Stubborn

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #1137 on: May 22, 2018, 05:41:04 AM »
Quote from: drew on May 21, 2018, 07:23:56 PM
Lad,  
 
"Every Catholic theologian?"  Hardly.  I have already produced quotes from several Catholic theologians that support dogma as the rule of faith.  If you like, I will repost the links. 
Falsely claiming that all theologians support his NO opinions is typically poor lad's main defense and first response, he does the same when he falsely claims that +ABL, Fr. Chazal, and whoever, all actually agree with is dogmatic doubtism. Your quotes proving the contrary do not matter to him, he simply says those quotes are all mindless babble. Same o same o.

Poor lad reminds me of another NO theologian wannabe I ran into 20 years ago, except this other wannabe had actually taken all the classes and earned his coveted masters degree in NO theology, whereas poor lad's confusion demonstrates that he apparently missed the last few semesters.      


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Offline drew

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Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #1138 on: May 22, 2018, 06:45:52 AM »
Quote from: Cantarella on May 21, 2018, 10:53:35 PM
This is the end of the Letter. It confirms that the Pope of Rome is true successor of St. Peter and takes literally the place of Blessed Peter the Apostle Himself through living generations. As such, he will never lose the Roman Catholic Faith and become a heretic and a true enemy of the Church!.

Faith cannot contradict reason. If a true successor of St. Peter, the Vicar of Christ on earth appointed by God, can lose his Faith and lead the Universal Church into error, then Roman Catholicism is false.

Cantarella,

This post and the previous suggest that I question the universal jurisdiction of the pope and/or that the faith of Rome could ever fail in that the pope would ever engage the Church's Attributes of Infallibility and Authority to bind doctrinal and/or moral error on the faithful.  This I deny.

What you are demonstrating is that the Letter of Pope Agatho to the Ecuмenical Council is a Magisterial docuмent.  That is what I am affirming.  It is a Magisterial docuмent that imposes the Dogma defined by Pope Adrian on the universal Church.  In the Letter he informs the Fathers of the Council that they must accept without debate or question the Dogma defined by Pope Adrian and that they must make this Dogma their "Rule of Faith."  The Letter was formally accepted by the Council without question and incorporated into its docuмents.  Remember, the Magisterium is the necessary means by which Dogma is produced.  Dogma is the end.  "The end is always principle in practical matters" is a proven philosophical axiom.  When you make the "means" the rule of faith rather than the "end" then you are exchanging being for becoming and truth never reaches its term.  This is a standard method used by Neo-modernists.  This is how they employ the Nietzsche goal of the "transvaluation of all values" as recently explained by Peter Kwasniewski.
https://onepeterfive.com/the-new-synthesis-of-all-heresies-on-nietzschean-catholicism/

There is nothing in all this Letter that suggests that the pope possesses a personal never-failing faith and that he therefore cannot become a heretic.  There is nothing in this that suggests that a heretical pope may not lead others into heresy without faith of Rome failing.  All that is being affirmed is that he cannot make his heresy a formal object of divine and Catholic Faith.

A quote previously posted taken from this same source defends Church and the Faith of Rome against the charge that the heresies of Popes Liberius and Honorius prove the faith of Rome has failed.
Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #1987 on: May 16, 2018, 11:51:45 AM »

This is an interesting quote because he outlines the burden of proof those making this charge must meet.  I will post the quote again because it is the same burden of proof S&Sers must meet to prove that the Faith of Rome has failed under the conciliar popes.  This is why S&Sers are repeatedly making claims that Vatican II was infallible, the pope  has a personal never-failing faith, etc., etc.  in an effort to prove the faith of Rome has failed.  It does not work.

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Before answering the accusation (that Popes Liberius and Honorius were heretics and formally taught heresy), we must once more remind our opponents that, in order to overturn our thesis (of papal infallibility), they must prove not merely that Liberius or Honorius has spoken or written what is contrary to faith, or denied it, but that he did so as Pope, teaching in matters of faith or morals, and thereby binding the Universal Church.  If they cannot prove this, they prove nothing, for the fallibility would then be only personal and private, and would no more affect the infallibility of the Pope as Universal teacher, than the denial of Peter in the Court of the High Priest injured his infallibility as Prince of the Apostles.  They must, then, first produce good, historical evidence of the fact; secondly, they must prove that it was a definition or teaching contrary to truth in matters of faith; and, thirdly, that the Pope intended, by his teaching, to bind the Universal Church to believe it.
 Rev. F. X. Weninger, S.J., D.D., On the Apostolical and Infallible Authority of the Pope, when teaching the faithful, and on his relation to a General Council

S&Sers end up in a dead-end and can contribute nothing to the defense of the faith because in the end they deny Dogma just as much as the conciliar popes and the rest of the Neo-modernists.  They end up being scandalized in Jesus Christ Himself.  According to the Catholic Biblical Encyclopedia;

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Scandal is the movable stick or trigger in a trap, that is, any obstacle or snare designed to make another stumble or fall.  Thus, Christ is figuratively said to be a rock of scandal, because the Jews who expected a political Messias were scandalized and stumbled at the suffering and crucified Christ, and consequently failed to obtain justification.
Catholic Biblical Encyclopedia

The life of Jesus Christ is recapitulated in His Mystical Body.  "Blessed is he who in not scandalized in me" said Jesus Christ and I will add to this, "Blessed is he who is not scandalized in His Mystical Body."

You might find rereading this earlier post useful for a better understanding of Dogma.

Re: Is Father Ringrose dumping the R & R crowd?
« Reply #1555 on: April 29, 2018, 09:23:24 PM »
Reply to Obscurus

Drew



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