Author Topic: ELEISON COMMENTS CCLXII: Conciliar Infection (Read 5012 times)

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #15 on:** August 01, 2012, 11:22:30 PM »

Quote from: Nishant2011

Viva Christo Rey, the Maronites are a group, formerly schismatic, that was reconciled with Rome in the sixteenth century. They have remained in communion for the most part ever since, they do not belong to the Latin rite.

Something like the GreeK orthodox or Russians/ukrain

trento · « **Reply #16 on:** August 03, 2012, 01:01:31 AM »

Quote from: Nishant2011

Viva Christo Rey, the Maronites are a group, formerly schismatic, that was reconciled with Rome in the sixteenth century. They have remained in communion for the most part ever since, they do not belong to the Latin rite.

This is wrong. The Maronites were never schismatic.

"The followers of the Maronite Church form a part of the Syriac Christians and belong to the West Syriac Rite. The Maronites belong to the Maronite Syriac Church of Antioch, which is a Eastern Catholic Syriac Church that had affirmed its communion with Rome since 1180 A.D., although the official view of the Church is that it had never accepted the Monophysitic views held by their Syriac neighbours, which were condemned in the Council of Chalcedon."

Nishant · « **Reply #17 on:** August 03, 2012, 05:09:16 AM »

Regarding the Maronites, there is a consideration of all viewpoints here in the Catholic Encyclopedia article about them.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09683c.htm

Ferdinand · « **Reply #18 on:** August 03, 2012, 02:31:05 PM »

RE: The Maronites... let's get back on subject!

Namely: ELEISON COMMENTS CCLXII: Conciliar Infection, "Forewarned is forearmed"

One should be able to expect to read posts relevant to the topic. Time is short and valuable, CathInfo isn't a chat room.

Pax,
-Ferdinand

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #19 on:** August 03, 2012, 02:45:20 PM »

Quote from: Ferdinand

RE: The Maronites... let's get back on subject!

Namely: ELEISON COMMENTS CCLXII: Conciliar Infection, "Forewarned is forearmed"

One should be able to expect to read posts relevant to the topic. Time is short and valuable, CathInfo isn't a chat room.

Pax,
-Ferdinand

It seems someone was thinking Maronites and Orthodox can be the same thing.
There are a lot of groups to keep track of.

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Then what is meant by Conciliar circuмstances ? The answer must be, any circuмstances which, over a shorter or longer period of time, are going to make me think that the Second Vatican Council was not an utter disaster for the Church. Such a circuмstance might be a charming and believing priest who has no problem with celebrating either the new or the old Mass, and who preaches and acts as though the Council presents no serious problem. Conciliarism is so dangerous because it can so be made to seem Catholic that I can lose the Faith without - or almost without - realizing it.

Bishop +Williamson is forewarning us of the new trend he sees on the horizon.
He anticipates more and more "mixing" of rites, which is neither here nor there in
regards to Novordien mess, but when it affects the Canonized Traditional Latin
Mass, it's a huge problem. There is now no limit to the ways that rubrics and
liturgy can be corrupted, since there are so many bad examples afoot already,
and they're supported by local bishops.

So the bottom line is, beware of the wolf in sheep's clothing, when a local venue
claims to have a "traditional Latin Mass," because it is very likely going to be
in "Conciliar circuмstances," which we should avoid.

Ethelred · « **Reply #20 on:** August 04, 2012, 05:28:48 AM »

Quote from: Ferdinand

RE: The Maronites... let's get back on subject!

Namely: ELEISON COMMENTS CCLXII: Conciliar Infection, "Forewarned is forearmed"

One should be able to expect to read posts relevant to the topic. Time is short and valuable, CathInfo isn't a chat room.

Thank you, Ferdinant, for speaking out this fact, and also thank you, Neil, for your comment right on topic.

The good Bishop writes one excellent EC after another, and he helps us so much with these fine apostolate of him, so let's better discuss what the good Bishop actually says instead of chatting about very distracting off-topic stuff. EC threads in particular deserve not to degenerate to a talking shop.

Back on topic:

God save Bishop Williamson!

... I'll repeat that to the last breath. :-)