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  • Quote from: Plenus Venter 2025-08-23, 6:16:49 PM
    Benedikt and girlytrad, you would do well to consider this opinion of Archbishop Lefebvre taken from Michael Davies' Apologia Pro Marcel Lefebvre Vol II Ch XL:

    I had the opportunity of a long interview with the Archbishop a few weeks later when we discussed the matter. He was kind enough to summarize his considered opinion for me in writing (dated 9 May 1980). It read as follows:Thus where the Archbishop states that “these New Masses are incapable of fulfilling our Sunday obligation,” he is referring to New Masses which involve “sacrilegious acts which pervert the faith by diminishing it.” The declaration which he made at my request makes it quite clear that this was indeed his meaning.


    Now consider the difference between an SSPX Mass and a New Mass. The conclusion is obvious.
    Michael Davies was not always a reliable transmitter of +Archbishop Lefebvre’s thought. He himself admitted that he wanted to “reassure” Catholics attached to the New Mass. So when Davies claims a private clarification, we must test it against the Archbishop’s public, repeated, official words.

    +Archbishop Lefebvre never wavered. He declared:

    “It is not enough to say the New Mass is valid if it is said correctly. One must also say that it is bad, for it was made with the intention of diminishing the faith, and it diminishes it effectively. It is therefore a sacrilegious rite. It is not permissible to participate in it.” (Homily, Lille, 29 August 1976)

    And again:

    “This Mass is unacceptable because it is a poisoned Mass. It is not only dangerous, it is bad and it was made with the idea of diminishing the faith. Therefore it is sacrilegious. A priest cannot lend his hands to perform such a rite. It is impossible.” (Interview, Fideliter, Sept–Oct 1984)

    And again:

    “This New Mass leads to sin against the Faith, and so it is a grave sin to participate in it, a sin against the Faith. It is a cooperation in the destruction of the Faith and in the revolution inside the Church.” (Conference, Econe, 1986)

    This is the Archbishop’s true position: the New Mass is sacrilegious, poisoned, and cannot be attended.

    At most, he acknowledged that confused souls may act in good faith and not incur subjective guilt. But that is very different from saying the rite itself fulfills the Sunday obligation. Objectively, the rite is an offense against God and cannot be participated in.

    So the “conclusion is obvious” indeed: +Lefebvre rejected the New Mass entirely. Any appeal to Davies’ filtered version against the Archbishop’s own words is simply misrepresentation.



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    Re: Interview with Fr. Pivert
    « Reply #46 on: Yesterday at 08:38:18 PM »
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  • Well, I’d unboggle my mind and forget about what other people do or what they call themselves. They are not your responsibility. People do as they please. In this case, don’t sweat it.
    Oh trust me, I have other problems to "sweat" over... However, it is quite annoying when these people lecture others over the "Resistance" and the way the SSPX is going when they themselves attend SSPX masses exclusively, when a Resistance priest is available almost every Sunday... 


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    Re: Interview with Fr. Pivert
    « Reply #47 on: Yesterday at 08:41:04 PM »
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  • Then again, it's my fault for continuing to read crazy posts on this forum. I am signing out for good this time! 
    Bye everyone! 

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    Re: Interview with Fr. Pivert
    « Reply #48 on: Yesterday at 08:50:48 PM »
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  • Michael Davies was not always a reliable transmitter of +Archbishop Lefebvre’s thought. He himself admitted that he wanted to “reassure” Catholics attached to the New Mass. So when Davies claims a private clarification, we must test it against the Archbishop’s public, repeated, official words.

    +Archbishop Lefebvre never wavered. He declared:

    “It is not enough to say the New Mass is valid if it is said correctly. One must also say that it is bad, for it was made with the intention of diminishing the faith, and it diminishes it effectively. It is therefore a sacrilegious rite. It is not permissible to participate in it.” (Homily, Lille, 29 August 1976)

    And again:

    “This Mass is unacceptable because it is a poisoned Mass. It is not only dangerous, it is bad and it was made with the idea of diminishing the faith. Therefore it is sacrilegious. A priest cannot lend his hands to perform such a rite. It is impossible.” (Interview, Fideliter, Sept–Oct 1984)

    And again:

    “This New Mass leads to sin against the Faith, and so it is a grave sin to participate in it, a sin against the Faith. It is a cooperation in the destruction of the Faith and in the revolution inside the Church.” (Conference, Econe, 1986)

    This is the Archbishop’s true position: the New Mass is sacrilegious, poisoned, and cannot be attended.

    At most, he acknowledged that confused souls may act in good faith and not incur subjective guilt. But that is very different from saying the rite itself fulfills the Sunday obligation. Objectively, the rite is an offense against God and cannot be participated in.

    So the “conclusion is obvious” indeed: +Lefebvre rejected the New Mass entirely. Any appeal to Davies’ filtered version against the Archbishop’s own words is simply misrepresentation.
    I agree, it was more a concession to souls who did not understand the gravity of the changes and so it was not a point well made by me. However, your reply indicates clearly why he reached this conclusion: "it is a poisoned Mass... it was made with the idea of diminishing the faith". That cannot be said in general of SSPX Masses, nor the sermons, nor the atmosphere... in general the opposite holds true. Avoiding the SSPX is arguably, depending on the circuмstances, likely to do more harm to souls and more likely to lead to loss of faith... all predicated on what may (even though very likely) happen in the future. If you cannot go to an SSPX Mass because they are silent about the fight for the faith, is it permissible to attend a Resistance Mass on a weekday when there is no sermon? Is it then permissible to attend an SSPX weekday Mass? It is important to know yourself, and know your faith, and understand the crisis. In this day and age, if you do not, then you will not be safe wherever you attend.

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    Re: Interview with Fr. Pivert
    « Reply #49 on: Yesterday at 09:05:04 PM »
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  • Michael Davies was not always a reliable transmitter of +Archbishop Lefebvre’s thought. He himself admitted that he wanted to “reassure” Catholics attached to the New Mass. So when Davies claims a private clarification, we must test it against the Archbishop’s public, repeated, official words.
    The Archbishop had a high regard for Michael Davies and his writings, as can be read in the Archbishop's own hand as a preface to the first volume of the Apologia, even if he was not found amongst the faithful in 1988.

    Regarding his position on the New Mass: https://sspx.org/en/what-archbishop-lefebvre-said-about-new-mass-30166

    What Archbishop Lefebvre said about the New Mass... in the beginning
    We present here some excerpts from the book Marcel Lefebvre: The Biography which outline the first reactions of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre to the Novus Ordo Missae and how he was compelled to eventually oppose assisting at the New Mass.
    From the chapter: For the Catholic Priesthood
    A problem: assisting at the New Mass
    Since Archbishop Lefebvre was opposed to the New Mass, he would not have it in the seminary. On the eve of the first Sunday of Advent 1969 when the Novus Ordo Missae came into force in the diocese of Fribourg, the archbishop simply said: “We’ll keep the old Mass, eh? ” Everyone agreed...
    (...)
    It is true that prudence might suggest to this or that priest “not to refuse the new Ordo for fear of scandalizing the faithful” by their witnessing his apparent disobedience to the bishop.[40] Such a priest should, however, “keep the Roman Canon which is still permitted, and say the words of consecration in a low voice according to the old form, which is still allowed.”[41] When Archbishop Lefebvre was absent on a Sunday, the seminarians would go and assist at Mass together at the Bernadine convent of La Maigrauge where an old monk celebrated the New Mass in Latin. The archbishop was not a man to rush souls. He allowed himself time to see the fruits more clearly in order to pass better judgment on the tree. He also wanted to hear the opinions of his colleagues in the episcopate, and find a consensus among his friends.
    His friend Bishop de Castro Mayer found himself with a very painful problem of conscience with respect to his priests:
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    Can we, the bishops, be silent? Can we, pastors of souls, follow a via media, saying nothing and leaving each priest to follow his conscience as he wishes at such risk to so many souls? And if we say openly what we think, what will be the consequences? We will be removed... leaving many of the faithful in confusion and scandalizing the weakest souls."[42]
    In January 1970 the Bishop of Campos had already solved his doubts. He translated the Short Critical Study and distributed it among his priests.
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    It seems to me preferable that scandal be given rather than a situation be maintained in which one slides into heresy. After considerable thought on the matter, I am convinced that one cannot take part in the New Mass, and even just to be present one must have a serious reason. We cannot collaborate in spreading a rite which, even if it is not heretical, leads to heresy. This is the rule I am giving my friends."[43]
    At the time, Archbishop Lefebvre’s position was not quite as categorical. He considered that the New Mass was not heretical, but as Cardinal Ottaviani had said, it represents serious dangers; thus in the course of time, “Protestant ideas concerning the Supper would be unconsciously accepted by the Catholics.” This was why children had to be taught the fundamental notions about the Mass. However, “it is an exaggeration to say that most of these Masses are invalid.” One should not hesitate to go a little further to have Mass according to the Roman Ordo; but “if one does not have the choice and if the priest celebrating Mass according to the Novus Ordo is faithful and worthy, one should not abstain from going to Mass.”[44]
    From the chapter: “I adhere to Eternal Rome
    Faithfulness to the Mass of All Time: rejecting the Novus Ordo
    Archbishop Lefebvre did not found his Society against the New Mass, but for the priesthood. However, the concerns of the priesthood now brought him to reject the new Ordo Missae.
    The orthodoxy and validity of the New Mass
    Archbishop Lefebvre did not hesitate to speak publicly on the question of the orthodoxy and validity of Paul VI’s Mass. He considered that “one cannot say generally that the New Mass is invalid or heretical”; however, “it leads slowly to heresy.”
    (...)
    In 1975, the archbishop added that the New Mass:
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    is ambivalent and ambiguous because one priest can say it with a totally Catholic faith in the sacrifice, etc., and another can say it with a different intention, because the words he pronounces and the gestures he makes no longer contradict [other intentions]."[9]
    The problem of assisting at the New Mass
    Some priests were torn between the need to keep the Faith as expressed by the traditional Mass and a desire to be obedient as they saw it. In the early days of the reforms, Archbishop Lefebvre advised them to keep at least the traditional Offertory and Canon and to say them in Latin. His advice to the seminarians as to the faithful was remarkably moderate in tone for one who was first to step up to the breach to repel the New Mass.
    He exhorted them:
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    Make every effort to have the Mass of St. Pius V, but if it is impossible to find one within forty kilometers and if there is a pious priest who says the New Mass in as traditional a way as possible, it is good for you to assist at it to fulfill your Sunday obligation."
    One can counter the dangers for the Faith through solid catechism:
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    Should all the world’s churches be emptied? I do not feel brave enough to say such a thing. I don’t want to encourage atheism."[10]
    (...)
    Little by little, the archbishop’s position hardened: this Mass with its ecuмenical rite was seriously ambiguous and harmful to the Catholic Faith.
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    This is why one cannot be made to assist at it to fulfill one’s Sunday obligation.”[15]
    In 1975 he still admitted that one could “assist occasionally” at the New Mass when one feared going without Communion for a long time. However, in 1977, he was more or less absolute:
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    To avoid conforming to the evolution slowly taking place in the minds of priests, we must avoid—I could almost say completely—assisting at the New Mass."[16]
    A poisoned liturgy
    Soon, Archbishop Lefebvre would no longer tolerate participation at Masses celebrated in the new rite except passively, for example at funerals [this is also true for marriages—Ed].[17]




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    Re: Interview with Fr. Pivert
    « Reply #50 on: Yesterday at 09:34:46 PM »
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  • I agree, it was more a concession to souls who did not understand the gravity of the changes and so it was not a point well made by me. However, your reply indicates clearly why he reached this conclusion: "it is a poisoned Mass... it was made with the idea of diminishing the faith". That cannot be said in general of SSPX Masses, nor the sermons, nor the atmosphere... in general the opposite holds true. Avoiding the SSPX is arguably, depending on the circuмstances, likely to do more harm to souls and more likely to lead to loss of faith... all predicated on what may (even though very likely) happen in the future. If you cannot go to an SSPX Mass because they are silent about the fight for the faith, is it permissible to attend a Resistance Mass on a weekday when there is no sermon? Is it then permissible to attend an SSPX weekday Mass? It is important to know yourself, and know your faith, and understand the crisis. In this day and age, if you do not, then you will not be safe wherever you attend.
    My original point, Benedikt, which I didn't make very clearly, was that if the Archbishop in the early days after the introduction of the New Mass thought it was better for the faithful to attend, "I do not want to encourage atheism", then how much more so would he have this attitude towards the true Mass said by priests of the SSPX where there is generally no inherent danger to the faith, but only the longer term danger of changes occurring after being absorbed into the Conciliar system. This must be weighed against the VERY REAL DANGER to souls of not attending Mass and the sacraments. For no matter what remedies you suggest to supply for the lack of Mass and sacraments, the danger IS very real. The whole issue of the New Mass and the evolution of the Archbishop's position shows how much it is an issue of prudence, and just how complex the question can be. That is why I object to those who are dogmatic about the issue and condemn others who disagree with their OPINION.
     

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    Re: Interview with Fr. Pivert
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  • Quote from: Plenus Venter 2025-08-23, 7:34:46 PM
    My original point, Benedikt, which I didn't make very clearly, was that if the Archbishop in the early days after the introduction of the New Mass thought it was better for the faithful to attend, "I do not want to encourage atheism", then how much more so would he have this attitude towards the true Mass said by priests of the SSPX where there is generally no inherent danger to the faith, but only the longer term danger of changes occurring after being absorbed into the Conciliar system. This must be weighed against the VERY REAL DANGER to souls of not attending Mass and the sacraments. For no matter what remedies you suggest to supply for the lack of Mass and sacraments, the danger IS very real. The whole issue of the New Mass and the evolution of the Archbishop's position shows how much it is an issue of prudence, and just how complex the question can be. That is why I object to those who are dogmatic about the issue and condemn others who disagree with their OPINION.
     
    You are right to note that Archbishop Lefebvre showed pastoral patience in the early days of the New Mass for confused faithful. That, however, was never a license to compromise principle. He never sanctioned obedience to the system of Vatican II, registration with Rome, or public acceptance of conciliar authority.

    The Neo-SSPX, by contrast, is a formal submission. Signing the 2012 Doctrinal Declaration and publicly registering with Conciliar Rome is not prudential weakness. It is cooperation in the destruction of the Faith. As +Archbishop Lefebvre declared:

    “A priest who enters into this system, who accepts it, collaborates with the destruction of the Faith.” (Conference, Paris, 1981)

    A Resistance Mass, when celebrated by priests who openly resist Conciliar Rome and its errors, preserves the Faith. Masses by priests who have submitted to Conciliar Rome, even if silent in sermons, do not preserve the Faith. Neo-SSPX Masses, by obedience to Conciliar Rome and silence on its errors, train the faithful to accept conciliar compromise. The danger to souls is not hypothetical or in the future. It is already real.

    Even Bishop Williamson, in his clear days before contradiction, warned that those who attend the Neo-SSPX will lose the fight:


    This is not a question of opinion or prudence. It is about fidelity. Archbishop Lefebvre founded the Society to resist the system. To attend priests who have bound themselves to that system is to abandon the very fight for which he gave his life.

    The line is simple and unbending. Silence is weakness. Submission is betrayal. Betrayal is never safe for the Faith.



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    Re: Interview with Fr. Pivert
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  • You are right to note that Archbishop Lefebvre showed pastoral patience in the early days of the New Mass for confused faithful. That, however, was never a license to compromise principle. He never sanctioned obedience to the system of Vatican II, registration with Rome, or public acceptance of conciliar authority.

    The Neo-SSPX, by contrast, is a formal submission. Signing the 2012 Doctrinal Declaration and publicly registering with Conciliar Rome is not prudential weakness. It is cooperation in the destruction of the Faith. As +Archbishop Lefebvre declared:

    “A priest who enters into this system, who accepts it, collaborates with the destruction of the Faith.” (Conference, Paris, 1981)

    A Resistance Mass, when celebrated by priests who openly resist Conciliar Rome and its errors, preserves the Faith. Masses by priests who have submitted to Conciliar Rome, even if silent in sermons, do not preserve the Faith. Neo-SSPX Masses, by obedience to Conciliar Rome and silence on its errors, train the faithful to accept conciliar compromise. The danger to souls is not hypothetical or in the future. It is already real.

    Even Bishop Williamson, in his clear days before contradiction, warned that those who attend the Neo-SSPX will lose the fight:


    This is not a question of opinion or prudence. It is about fidelity. Archbishop Lefebvre founded the Society to resist the system. To attend priests who have bound themselves to that system is to abandon the very fight for which he gave his life.

    The line is simple and unbending. Silence is weakness. Submission is betrayal. Betrayal is never safe for the Faith.
    Indeed!


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    Re: Interview with Fr. Pivert
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  • A Resistance Mass, when celebrated by priests who openly resist Conciliar Rome and its errors, preserves the Faith. Masses by priests who have submitted to Conciliar Rome, even if silent in sermons, do not preserve the Faith. Neo-SSPX Masses, by obedience to Conciliar Rome and silence on its errors, train the faithful to accept conciliar compromise. The danger to souls is not hypothetical or in the future. It is already real...

    The line is simple and unbending. Silence is weakness. Submission is betrayal. Betrayal is never safe for the Faith.
    Of course it is true that a bishop or priest is not doing everything necessary to defend and preserve the Faith if he is not alerting the faithful to the errors that threaten their Faith. That is why we resist. But to say that because of this omission, for which they will give an account, their Masses, sacraments and teaching do nothing to preserve the Faith is patently false. They obviously do nourish the faith, hope and charity of good souls and thus edify the Church.

    As one of the faithful attending Mass at the SSPX I am not necessarily being silent, nor am I submitting in any way whatsoever to error. I am in a good position to alert priests and faithful to the change in direction, of which many are still unaware, with the ensuing dangers. It is not betraying anyone or anything. If I did not fulfill my Sunday obligation, however, I know beyond any doubt that for me, I would be betraying Our Lord and committing a mortal sin. 

    Barring a miracle, it seems likely that the SSPX will continue to slide into the arms of Conciliar Rome and that the silence of the Neo-SSPX could result in the greater number of SSPX Trads becoming modernist. But if this happens, how long will it take? It has certainly not happened in 13 years and to claim such would be a monstrous exaggeration. Will it take a few generations yet? Would all these souls be better off becoming home-aloners now? There is danger no matter what you do. It is important to know yourself and to know the fight for the Faith that we are engaged in, and to take into account the particular circuмstances that you and those dependent upon you find yourselves in. 

    Certainly, encourage souls to attend and support the Resistance, which is necessary to preserve the Faith as you rightly say. Certainly enlighten them to the new direction of the Neo-SSPX placing them on the slippery slide of liberalism. But stop pontificating when it comes to forbidding the faithful to attend truly Catholic sacraments. That was never the attitude of Archbishop Lefebvre, nor is it Catholic.

     

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    Re: Interview with Fr. Pivert
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  • Quote from: Plenus Venter 2025-08-23, 11:16:15 PMQuote from: Plenus Venter 2025-08-23, 11:16:15 PM
    Of course it is true that a bishop or priest is not doing everything necessary to defend and preserve the Faith if he is not alerting the faithful to the errors that threaten their Faith. That is why we resist. But to say that because of this omission, for which they will give an account, their Masses, sacraments and teaching do nothing to preserve the Faith is patently false. They obviously do nourish the faith, hope and charity of good souls and thus edify the Church.

    As one of the faithful attending Mass at the SSPX I am not necessarily being silent, nor am I submitting in any way whatsoever to error. I am in a good position to alert priests and faithful to the change in direction, of which many are still unaware, with the ensuing dangers. It is not betraying anyone or anything. If I did not fulfill my Sunday obligation, however, I know beyond any doubt that for me, I would be betraying Our Lord and committing a mortal sin.

    Barring a miracle, it seems likely that the SSPX will continue to slide into the arms of Conciliar Rome and that the silence of the Neo-SSPX could result in the greater number of SSPX Trads becoming modernist. But if this happens, how long will it take? It has certainly not happened in 13 years and to claim such would be a monstrous exaggeration. Will it take a few generations yet? Would all these souls be better off becoming home-aloners now? There is danger no matter what you do. It is important to know yourself and to know the fight for the Faith that we are engaged in, and to take into account the particular circuмstances that you and those dependent upon you find yourselves in.

    Certainly, encourage souls to attend and support the Resistance, which is necessary to preserve the Faith as you rightly say. Certainly enlighten them to the new direction of the Neo-SSPX placing them on the slippery slide of liberalism. But stop pontificating when it comes to forbidding the faithful to attend truly Catholic sacraments. That was never the attitude of Archbishop Lefebvre, nor is it Catholic.

     

    Attending the Neo-SSPX is not Resistance. It is a living contradiction, a surrender cloaked as struggle, fighting from within a society that has formally submitted to Conciliar Rome, which +Archbishop Lefebvre condemned without compromise. It places the society and the sacraments above the Faith itself, corrupting principle into betrayal. What may feel like prudence or fulfilling one’s obligation is in reality moral compromise.

    Every Mass attended in this society trains souls to accept conciliar errors, silently aligning the faithful with Modernism. Even if the compromise is gradual, principle is timeless: submission is never excusable. Bishop Williamson in his clear days confirmed that those attending the Neo-SSPX risk losing the fight for the Faith. Attendance gives the illusion of opposing Modernism while actually cooperating with it. It endangers the spiritual battle and undermines the mission of true Resistance.

    The reasons are exhaustive:

    • *Formal submission to Conciliar Rome – participation legitimizes a system that is anti-Catholic.
    • *Condemned “fight from within” – what +Lefebvre forbade.
    • *Placing the society and sacraments above the Faith – a direct inversion of moral order.
    • *Corruption of principle into prudence or betrayal – what feels right can be spiritually disastrous.
    • *Exposure to Modernist influence – even silent compromise shapes the faithful toward error.
    • *Endangerment of the spiritual battle – leads to losing the fight for the Faith.
    • *False sense of Resistance – attendance masquerades as opposition but is cooperation.
    • *Erosion over time – submission is betrayal regardless of speed or generations.


    By the grace of God, true Resistance grows. Many will never stop fighting, holding the Faith above all.

    You have picked the wrong side in this war.






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  • This is not a question of opinion or prudence. It is about fidelity. Archbishop Lefebvre founded the Society to resist the system. To attend priests who have bound themselves to that system is to abandon the very fight for which he gave his life.
    If that is the case, you would never have followed the Archbishop before 1988. You would have been a home-aloner way back, perhaps following the Abbe de Nantes from afar? Then where would you be now?...

    The Second Vatican Council was from 1962-25. The Society of St Pius X was erected in 1970.

    What the Neo-SSPX has done in making deals with modernist Rome is gravely imprudent and will most likely have dire consequences, some of which we are seeing already with the acceptance of doubtful sacraments, including doubtful priests.

    But that does not translate into sin or a danger to the Faith for everyone who attends good Catholic SSPX Masses as you want to insist. Such rigidity and lack of pastoral prudence endangers souls in my opinion. 

    I am not opposed to souls taking the decision that it is best for them or their family not to attend the SSPX, but I am opposed to the view that it must be given the red light for all. I have no doubt that Archbishop Lefebvre would have been of the same mind, as was Bishop Williamson.


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  • You have already picked the wrong side in this war.
    The only side I have picked is the Resistance. Your logic is faulty!

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  • Quote from: Plenus Venter 2025-08-23, 11:46:06 PM
    If that is the case, you would never have followed the Archbishop before 1988. You would have been a home-aloner way back, perhaps following the Abbe de Nantes from afar? Then where would you be now?...

    The Second Vatican Council was from 1962-25. The Society of St Pius X was erected in 1970.

    What the Neo-SSPX has done in making deals with modernist Rome is gravely imprudent and will most likely have dire consequences, some of which we are seeing already with the acceptance of doubtful sacraments, including doubtful priests.

    But that does not translate into sin or a danger to the Faith for everyone who attends good Catholic SSPX Masses as you want to insist. Such rigidity and lack of pastoral prudence endangers souls in my opinion.

    I am not opposed to souls taking the decision that it is best for them or their family not to attend the SSPX, but I am opposed to the view that it must be given the red light for all. I have no doubt that Archbishop Lefebvre would have been of the same mind, as was Bishop Williamson.
    Historical hypotheticals do not excuse present submission. The Neo-SSPX has publicly aligned itself with Conciliar Rome. Attending it is cooperation in error, not prudence, and objectively endangers the fight for the Faith. 

    You can kick and scream all you want, it does not change the reality.