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I got this in my e-mail today -- a bit late, but I think it deserves another go-round.

Please find below the latest interview of Bp. Fellay (June 27), given to an Ecclesia Dei newspaper in France, in which he openly discloses the path he's leading towards a 'full reconciliation' with Modernist Rome.

I'm sending as well the full text of the Conference given at St Athanasius last June 26 by the Dominican Father Marie-Dominique, explaining the main problem with the new direction taken by the SSPX.

We can be thankful that St Athanasius is not following in that wrong direction... though we need to be aware and concerned when the largest Traditional group is heading towards an agreement with the Modernist authorities.

[NOTE: I put in red the most relevant passages, and added some comments in red]



INTERVIEW OF BP. BERNARD FELLAY TO THE NEWSPAPER 'PRESENT'
The SSPX's Superior General answers some questions about the priestly society and its current status with Rome.

On the occasion of the blessing of the bells for the chapel of the St-Michel de La Martinerie school in Chateauroux, Bishop Fellay gave Present an update on the situation of the Society of St. Pius X, of which he is the Superior General.

1. Present: In an interview with Fideliter in 2001, you mentioned the "movement of profound sympathy from the young clergy for the Society." Has this movement grown, especially with the Motu proprio in 2007?

Bishop Fellay: Without a doubt! The Motu proprio gave this movement a new impetus. And it is important to insist upon Benedict XVI's interest for the liturgy in general. He truly wished to put the entire traditional liturgy, not only the Mass, at the disposition of the priests and the faithful; this did not happen because there was too much opposition. But the young priests identify with this liturgy, precisely because it is timeless. The Church lives in eternity.

The liturgy does also too, which is why it is always young. Close to God, it is outside of time. So it is no surprise that the baptismal character makes this harmony resound even in souls that have never known the liturgy. And the way the young priests react when they discover this liturgy is moving: they have the impression a treasure has been hidden from them.

[Benedict XVI did NOT wish to restore the Traditional Liturgy; he NVER celebrated the Traditional Mass during his pontificate. He only wanted to trap ignorant people by calling the Traditional Mass the 'extraordinary form' of the Mass, the novusordo mass being the ordinary one!]

2. The Society was officially recognized as Catholic by the State of Argentina, with the help of Cardinal Bergoglio, who has since become Pope Francis. Does this have a purely administrative importance or is it more revealing?

First of all, it has a juridical and administrative effect with no implications as far as the Society's general relations with—to put it simply—the official Church are concerned. But the secondary effects are not easy to evaluate correctly. There is no doubt that Pope Francis, then Cardinal Bergoglio, had promised to help the Society obtain the Argentinian State's recognition of our society as Catholic and that he kept his promise. So we have no choice but to think that he does consider us Catholic.

[This in another delusion of Bp Fellay thinking that pope Francis is somewhere sympathetic with Tradition. The official recognition of the SSPX as being part of the 'Catholic Church' by the Argentinian government, at the request of the Archbishop of Buenos Aires, is a step forward preparing the canonical recognition of the SSPX by Modernist Rome. It's not the question of 'if' the SSPX will reconcile with Modernist Rome, but only 'when'...]

3. Along the same lines, you were made a judge of first instance by the Vatican for the trial of a Society priest. Can that be seen as a sign of good will?

That is nothing new; it has been the case for over ten years. It is indeed a sign of good will and of common sense. It is something that can be observed in the Roman Church throughout her whole history: her realism, her capacity to go beyond canonical and juridical problems in order to find solutions to very real problems.

[How is it possible that Modernist authorities in Rome give such a delegated 'power' to Bp Fellay, though the SSPX is not officially recognized by them, unless they trust him?]

4. In your Letter to Friends and Benefactors, you mentioned "contradictory messages" coming from Rome. What do you mean by that?

I was thinking of the way in which a society that was becoming closer to Tradition was treated—or rather mistreated: the Franciscans of the Immaculate. And of the different ways we are treated by the different Roman authorities: the Congregation for Religious, for example, still considers us schismatic (in 2011, they declared a priest who joined our Society excommunicated), but that is not the case with other congregations, or the pope himself, as we just said.

[Bp. Fellay continues to dream that there are 'good' people in Rome wishing sincerely the SSPX to remain Catholic...the 'bad' people being those who oppose a reconciliation with Modernist Rome. He's playing again dialectics, a false opposition within the Conciliar church]

5. "Pessimistic", "closed to others", "thinking that only the faithful of the Society will be saved": you are sometimes referred to in these terms. How would you respond? What is the missionary spirit in your eyes?

I do not recognize myself in these quips. Firmness in doctrine is indeed necessary, for the Faith is not up for negotiation. The Faith is, as a whole, given by God, and we have no right to pick and choose among the revealed truths. Today, reminders of these requirements are unwelcome, as has always been more or less the case. The expression "the fight of the Faith" is part of the history of the Church. The missionary has to make the voice of the Faith heard outside, and at the same time seek to strengthen those who already have it. We cannot speak only to the faithful of the Society. The torch lights up the world, the light of the Faith shines with warmth. The Faith must be borne by charity: that is how I see the missionary.

[The SSPX is loosing the fight for the Faith and the missionary spirit. Bp. Fellay is simplifying the problem with the crisis in the Church. The expressions with whihc he doesn't recognize himself are precisely those Bp. Fellay want to avoid to use following the 'branding' of the SSPX, in order to please the Conciliar church and the world]

6. A few weeks ago, the Society's seminaries were visited by Cardinal Brandmuller and Bishop Schneider. These visits are a public connection with the "official Church". Isn't that vital?

The link with the Church is vital. The manifestations of this connection can vary. The dates and places for these visits were left up to me; the Vatican chose the names. I chose the seminaries because they seemed to me to be the most eloquent and representative for the bishops.

[Of which 'church' are we speaking about? Abp Lefebvre was clear when he said: "This conciliar Church is not Catholic." We are IN the Catholic church and we need to separate from the Conciliar church if we wish with to keep the Faith.]

7. What were the first reactions of these bishops?

They were very satisfied. "You are normal people," they told us...which goes to show the reputation we have! They congratulated us on the quality of our seminarians. There is no doubt that their conclusion after this first closer contact was that we are a work of the Church.

[These visits of Modernist bishops are part of the plan established by the SSPX and Rome in order to create an atmosphere of 'mutual sympathy' preparing the path for a future full reconciliation]

8. Have you been in contact with any bishops who support you discreetly?

Of course! When we see that priests are coming closer to us today and entering into contact with us, we can easily conclude that the same is true on the higher level...

[These contacts are more and more frequent... which have for effect to see the Conciliar church more friendly]

9. In the 2001 interview we already mentioned, you declared: "If there is any chance at all that our contacts with Rome could bring back a little more Tradition in the Church, I think we should seize the opportunity." Is that still your position?

That remains our position, even if we cannot say it is easy, especially because of the open dissensions within the Vatican itself. These relations are delicate, but our point of view remains valid as is confirmed by the facts. It is a discreet work, being accomplished in the midst of strong opposition. Some are working in one direction, others in the opposite direction.

[We don't see any backtrack of the Conciliar church and a return to Tradition... On the contrary, Pope Francis' pontificate shows clearly where the direction is going in doctrinal and moral matters!]

10. Is the Society's role as a counterweight within the Church important?

This role is nothing new. Archbishop Lefebvre started it, and we are continuing it. It is easy to see in the irritation of the modernists at the steps taken by Benedict XVI.

[This is the well-known illusion of Bp. Fellay who thinks that by joining the Conciliar church he will convert these people 'from within'!]

11. Where is the Society today? What are its strong points and its weak points? What future do you foresee for it?

I see a peaceful future. It is a work that has been entrusted to the Sacred Heart of Jesus and the Immaculate Heart of Mary; all we have to do is remain faithful to their will. This Church is the Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ, who remains her head and will not allow her to be destroyed.The Society's weaknesses? The risk of separation is serious. Look at the caricature of Tradition that calls itself the "Resistance", for example: it is a non-Catholic spirit that is almost sectarian. We wish to have nothing to do with it; it is a movement that is withdrawn into itself, with people who think that they are the only good and just men on earth: that is not Catholic. It is an objective, but relative danger.

[First, this 'peaceful future' means a future agreement with Modernist Rome.

Besides, the conciliar church is not the Church of Jesus-Christ! It's like a tumorous cancer within the Church threatening Her.

We need to be separated from the conciliar church if we need to remain Catholic, and Bp Fellay considers this separation a 'risk'!

The attack against the 'Resistance' includes St Athanasius... To separate from the conciliar authorities is, according Bp Fellay, a 'sectarian' spirit. Once again, he's selling his agreement with people who are not Catholic]

Most of the Society is healthy and will not fall into these illusions. This encourages us to rely upon supernatural means. God will show us what He wants of us; He will speak through circuмstances.

[The new-SSPX has lost the combat for Tradition by softening their condemnations of Vatican II and the conciliar authorities. It is visible in their sermons and in their publications especially since 2012]

The strong points? The living fidelity that bears fruit and shows the world today that the Catholic life, even with all its requirements, is possible. But—another weak point—we are men of our times, and it would be a dream to pretend that we are immunized against the influence of the modern world. To be more precise, we must avoid the caricature of wishing for a Church without wrinkles or stains here below: that is not what the good Lord promised us on this earth. That is not what the "Holy Church" means; it means that she is capable of sanctifying using the means given by Our Lord: the sacraments, the Faith, discipline, religious life, the life of prayer.

[This affirmation openly contradicts what St Paul says about the True Church: "not having spot or wrinkle, or any; such thing; but that it should be holy, and without blemish." Eph. 5:27]

12. What do you think of Cardinal Sarah's suggestion of introducing the traditional Offertory into the New Mass?

It is not a new idea; it has been around in Rome for ten years. I am glad it has been taken up again. Some criticize the idea, saying it is a way of mixing the profane with the sacred. On the contrary, in the perspective of bringing health back to the Church, I think it would be a great step forward, because the Offertory is a summary of the Catholic principles of the Mass, of the expiatory sacrifice offered to the Blessed Trinity, offered by the priest to God in reparation for sins, and accompanied by the faithful. And that would gradually bring the faithful back to the traditional Mass they have lost.

[This is an adulterous mix between the Catholic Offertory and the novusordo. Even with this addition, the new mass remains an evil rite, but Bp. Fellay sees it as a good idea...!]

13. How would you like to conclude, Your Excellency?

In my opinion, we are on the eve of important events that we cannot yet define very well. I would like to call for prayers and end with a gaze towards God, which allows us to always have hope.

[Bp. Fellay is again playing the card of mysterious 'important events' which refuses to disclose, because people would react negatively. This is the confirmation that he is 'cooking' something with Rome]

CONCLUSION: these statements confirm that Bp. Fellay is advancing by steps but surely towards a full agreement with Modernist Rome. He is creating a 'positive image' of the Conciliar church by affirming that things are changing positively, though the decomposition of the Church in this Pontificate continues irremediably...

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Interview of Bishop Fellay - path to full reconciliation with Rome
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2015, 08:41:02 PM »
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    [This is an adulterous mix between the Catholic Offertory and the novusordo. Even with this addition, the new mass remains an evil rite, but Bp. Fellay sees it as a good idea...!]


    Bishop Williamson seems to think otherwise.  In this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=7816&v=Ma9_10iVBik at the 1:01:45 mark, a lady says that she attends the new mass during the week.

    Bp. Williamson answer: "Do whatever you need to nourish your faith".

    He speaks about Novus Ordo priests nourishing the faith of their congregations, of Eucharistic miracles with the Novus Ordo Mass, and that "there are cases when the Novus Ordo Mass can be used, and is still being used, to build the faith".  1:08:50

    And btw, if Bishop Fellay had said that, the resisters would be all over the internet blasting him as a liberal. But since Bishop Williamson said it, they ignore it completely.

    Is not this a double standard?

    Mod edit: No, it is not.
    You are taking what he said WAY out of context. I was there and i heard the whole conference. He was quite clear that the Novus Ordo was dangerous, and should be avoided in VIRTUALLY all cases. But this lady tearfully and emotionally said how she attends the Novus Ordo, and she's "convinced" that the Consecration is taking place. Of course, Bishop Williamson wasn't going to smash the poor woman (it turns out she's NOT part of the Resistance group there, nor does she attend the Latin Mass. Basically, she was a "plant" put there to cause trouble.) and it's true that the Novus Ordo is not ALWAYS invalid, but it's certainly illegitimate.

    There might be 0.01% of cases where widowed old ladies could find a really conservative priest and attend his Mass (making sure not to scandalize, when they see Mrs. ____ going in to a Novus Ordo church. +W made sure to point this out) but for most people, it's not an option.

    He actually spent quite a bit of time on this question -- certainly more than your couple of "out of context" sentences allow. He mentioned the long-term effects to one's faith, the frog-boiling phenomenon, etc. and he repeated that the Novus Ordo was bad. I think he gave her as much truth as he thought she could handle. In this situation, he gave private advice to one person, in a public setting.

    But +Williamson is right -- this is all about keeping our Faith. If for some bizarre reason we're in a circuмstance where attending a less-than-ideal Mass (neo-SSPX? Indult?) is helping our family keep the Faith, then why not continue going? Let's not get in a situation where we can't see the forest because of the trees. Let's not become some kind of cult or forget what this Trad thing is all about (keeping the Faith).

    Long story short, a priest (or bishop) has a grave responsibility to souls. He has to give advice for the individual. If that individual is crushed/ruined/damaged because of his advice, he will be responsible for it before God. So he's not at liberty to fall back on "talking points" or rattle off an unfeeling general rule so he can move on to the next penitent and get out of this darn hot confessional box. The good priests won't do this. They know they must not "break the bruised reed" and so forth.

    Of course a woman going to the Novus Ordo is not ideal. But souls are not data points to prove a system or philosophy -- they are immortal souls. Each one must be dealt with as if it must be saved at all costs.

    Remember, the SSPX never said that the Novus Ordo = Lutheranism. It's not that simple. The Novus Ordo indeed has many elements of protestantism, but it's not the same as the Lutheran service.



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    Interview of Bishop Fellay - path to full reconciliation with Rome
    « Reply #2 on: July 15, 2015, 08:43:52 PM »
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  • Bishop Fellay:  "God will show us what He wants of us; He will speak through circuмstances."

    Given the events within the SSPX since 2012, comfort from me in this statement is not present. It is admirable I suppose men and women of faith do their earnest to discern the will of God through circuмstances, is it even more an act of faith and wisdom to know the will of God before those circuмstances come to pass through discernment of what has already occurred and the path God reveals to us through prayer and meditation?  Are we all to be as willows, blown by the winds of happenstance, given to the good and bad circuмstances that lay in our path, without any discernment of evil or good before those circuмstances take place?

    What of circuмstances?  Are they all good and do or should we wait for their happening with eagerness, with no need to decide for ourselves whether they be good or bad for His kingdom?If I see a bus headed for a woman crossing the street, do I wait to see if she survives the bus hitting her and whether God wills her to live, or do I try to pull her out of the way of its path? Do we need to keep witnessing the destruction of the Church to ascertain if it is God's will that it happen?      

    Is not a "circuмstance" possibly judgement upon us for gross sin in the sight of God? The sins of Adam and Eve, those of the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, Judas, etc, etc...surely, the path of sin does not wait for the circuмstances to determine what should have been done for them to have avoided the wrath and judgement of God?  

    How far does obedience go for the priests within the SSPX?  What is their supreme duty...to man or to God?  Do the priests wait for circuмstances to show them the way of truth?  If so, did the events of 2012 not happen?  Clearly, some brave priests and bishops have not waited for circuмstances and they are now pilloried at every opportunity by Society leadership.  Has God shown Society leadership that this is the prudent way to be, the attempted destruction of priestly souls who didn't turn right or left, but continued to walk ahead?  

    Finally, those priests who have made the decision, in obedience, to stand fast and follow their "Superior General" (I don't believe God will know or care in judgement that that term means, really) I wonder what circuмstances they wait for?  A miracle? Immediate conversion in Rome back to Tradition?  The sun to go black to reveal God's direction for them.  What in heavens name are you waiting for, Fathers?  While you wait, the souls of those whom you see on Sunday are creeping toward modernism through indifference.  After all, if you don't care, why should they?

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