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Offline John Grace

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« on: June 17, 2013, 09:00:38 AM »
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  • Ironically as Bishop Fellay was warning faithful in Dublin not to believe everything on the internet, he was fiddling with an ipad in his hands at the same time.

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    « Reply #1 on: June 17, 2013, 09:04:54 AM »
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  • Probably a prompter....


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    « Reply #2 on: June 17, 2013, 09:08:10 AM »
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  • On a serious note I do agree with caution with the internet and naturally not everything is true but taking the past few days, the SSPX are now advertising Ecclesia Dei ordinations or encouraging faithful to go to Novus Ordo. Their own websites are advertising this.

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    « Reply #3 on: June 17, 2013, 09:18:30 AM »
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  • When an organization is going under, it goes all glossy and burns money on advertising. The SSPX resembles this at the moment.

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    « Reply #4 on: June 18, 2013, 06:03:16 AM »
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  • Quote from: John Grace
    On a serious note I do agree with caution with the internet and naturally not everything is true but taking the past few days, the SSPX are now advertising Ecclesia Dei ordinations or encouraging faithful to go to Novus Ordo. Their own websites are advertising this.



    Yes, there has to be a programme of liberalism by stealth and a gradual converging of various Rome-friendly trads for the Society to show that it was no longer antagonistic and reactionary. Hence, the PR exercises, the consolidation of power in the hands of pro-agreement members, the new showpiece forward-looking seminary being built as part of its expected Opus Dei-style reconstruction ...... and the expulsion of the old guard! Same old, same old.



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    « Reply #5 on: June 18, 2013, 06:27:13 AM »
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  • Quote from: Wessex
    Quote from: John Grace
    On a serious note I do agree with caution with the internet and naturally not everything is true but taking the past few days, the SSPX are now advertising Ecclesia Dei ordinations or encouraging faithful to go to Novus Ordo. Their own websites are advertising this.



    Yes, there has to be a programme of liberalism by stealth and a gradual converging of various Rome-friendly trads for the Society to show that it was no longer antagonistic and reactionary.

    Hence, the PR exercises, the consolidation of power in the hands of pro-agreement members, the new showpiece forward-looking seminary being built as part of its expected Opus Dei-style reconstruction ...... and the expulsion of the old guard!

    Same old, same old.




    It seems to me the new Virgina seminary foundation is the "concrete"
    evidence of the LONG TERM COMMITMENT of the ExSPX to this newly
    re-branded image.  

    That is to say, it is a newness that is not reformable.  It is a substantial
    change.  

    When a man undergoes substantial change it means he has died.  

    Fr. Pfeiffer has a bit of experience with construction and he went so
    far as to say that the materials being used at the new seminary are
    substandard.  He said the concrete is junk, the rebar is undersized,
    and the construction contractors are not reputable.  They are cheating
    the Society by overcharging for things, and the stupid officials who
    ought to be noticing these things are turning a blind eye.  

    So the forecast is that NOTHING GOOD will ever likely come of this new
    boondoggle, this white elephant, this albatross and black hole of a
    project.  The Newchurch is like a dying old man lying out flat on the
    street, says Fr. Girouard of the report from the Dutch re-branding
    company with the forgettable Flemish name.  Yet here we have however
    many millions of dollars being spent on an enormously expensive-to-
    upkeep complex that is designed to house seminary students from the
    local dioceses as well as ExSPX students, even while the local dioceses
    are DYING OFF, according to the report upon which this Wedding
    Cake (Victor Emmanuel II monument in Rome) monster is
    conceptualized.



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    « Reply #6 on: June 18, 2013, 06:34:22 AM »
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  • What I find most interesting about the internet is that it seems that most rumours that make a big splash on the internet turn out to be true.  The timing of rumoured events are often, even usually, wrong, but the veracity of the rumours seem close to perfection.

    In the specific case of the SSPX, for example, I'm not sure I've read one widely-spread rumour over the past two years that was ever debunked.  In fact, after denying many internet rumours vehemently for months, the SSPX would suddenly change course, admit the truth, and condemn whoever leaked the "confidential" information.

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    « Reply #7 on: June 18, 2013, 07:49:59 AM »
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  • Where is the sspx encouraging novus ordo attendance?

    That would be noteworthy.
    Romans 5:20 "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

    -I retract any and all statements I have made that are incongruent with the True Faith, and apologize for ever having made them-



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    « Reply #8 on: June 18, 2013, 01:54:29 PM »
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  • Quote from: SeanJohnson
    Where is the sspx encouraging novus ordo attendance?

    That would be noteworthy.


    This was posted on another thread:

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    Is any one here from Poland to know what is appening with Fr. John Jenkins, an American priest, who has been stationed in Poland for a few years now?

    And what position he has taken in all of this?

    Fr. Jenkins, who at one time had been in Ridgefield, visited Ridgefield last fall
    (2012). He was adamant that "there is no deal" ;" You are listening to rumors on the internet!", " Bishop Fellay is not making a deal with Rome!" He could not explain at all the dealings with GREC, he would not explain at all the doctrinal declaration--- all he knew was that there was no deal-- so everybody please go back to sleep. He also revealed that they were working amongst the Novus Ordo in Poland to bring the groups closer!-- The same initiative, it seems, that Bp. Fellay had going on in France and Belgium, and Father Pflugger was pushing heavily in the Asian district, with Fr. Couture, Fr Chazal and Fr. Pfeiffer.

       If Jenkins has changed his tune-- I'd be quite surprised-- and I've not heard of it.When you are actively promoting ecumenism, it gets kind of difficult to resist Fellay's joining the Conciliar church. I would just love to hear what he says now, since the public revelations that Fellay was, of course, making a deal with Rome, and giving away the store, at that!


    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=25281&f=19&min=30&num=5

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    « Reply #9 on: June 18, 2013, 03:06:36 PM »
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  • Quote from: SeanJohnson
    Where is the sspx encouraging novus ordo attendance?

    That would be noteworthy.


    Miami is one of them. Folks have been encouraged and even received a written invitation to attend a consecration that took place during a N.O mass.

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    « Reply #10 on: June 18, 2013, 03:10:48 PM »
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  • Quote from: SeanJohnson
    Where is the sspx encouraging novus ordo attendance?


    Thankfully this is not occurring in my chapel. My priest specifically disapproved of Novus Ordo priests when he had a chance this week.

    But do you remember a while back when Bishop Fellay attended a conservative Novus Ordo Mass and approved of it?
    In a Station of the Metro
    The apparition of these faces in the crowd;
    Petals on a wet, black bough.


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    « Reply #11 on: June 18, 2013, 07:06:01 PM »
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    What I find most interesting about the internet is that it seems that most rumours that make a big splash on the internet turn out to be true.  The timing of rumoured events are often, even usually, wrong, but the veracity of the rumours seem close to perfection.

    In the specific case of the SSPX, for example, I'm not sure I've read one widely-spread rumour over the past two years that was ever debunked.  In fact, after denying many internet rumours vehemently for months, the SSPX would suddenly change course, admit the truth, and condemn whoever leaked the "confidential" information.



    This is really a good point, TKGS.

    They don't ever say that the 'rumours' are credible.  They never give the
    least hint that they agree with the veracity of "the rumours."  They can't
    do that because it would take away from their ability to foist the same
    mantra again upon the lemmings in the future.  

    They only admit the truth when there is no more option to deny it.  Then
    they start up again with the vague claim (they never identify what the
    'rumours' are they're talking about) that you shouldn't believe "the rumours."

    As you say, they recycle these themes, but carefully!!  Sort of like how
    a warlock carefully works a spell, so as not to make a mistake that would
    not be forgivable.  

    The devil demands absolute devotion to his specifications.


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     In fact, after denying many internet rumours vehemently for months, the SSPX would suddenly change course, admit the truth, and condemn whoever leaked the "confidential" information.




    When they admit the truth, they are most diligent in NOT SAYING that
    'the rumour that accused us was true after all,'
    but they would say that
    if they were honest, because it is the truth.  But they're not honest.  


    The practice of going back to the same old themes again

    has a hypnotic effect on the listeners, and this effect
    you can see when they utter the refrains from the pulpit and the
    crowd nods their heads obediently.  The leaders are trained to
    recognize this head-nodding and feed off of it --

    -- like the vultures they are.......................






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    « Reply #12 on: June 19, 2013, 06:41:42 PM »
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    Where is the sspx encouraging novus ordo attendance?


    The recent example of Miami was cited.

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    « Reply #13 on: June 19, 2013, 06:50:08 PM »
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  • Regarding the Church of Bishop Fellay. At this stage you need to make Bishop Fellay supporters 'uneasy'. In summary he and his gang have sold out and in process of selling out.

    At the conference I attended given by Bishop Williamson, I encountered a woman, who could find nothing wrong with the talk Bishop Fellay gave in Dublin. You will always get one but the main thing is to cite the evidence.She can never say for example, she didn't hear the evidence. She doesn't believe Bishop Fellay will sell out when in reality he and the gang have surrendered.

    I read earlier the nonsense from vinnyf over on IA. It is to be expected but who cares. He is perhaps cracking up?

    Expect the smear campaigns from the Church of Bishop Fellay. In the past two weeks alone key information has been posted on the SSPX own websites.

    It's hard for some to accept. Betrayal is hard to accept but to be fair, there were signs including the rosary crusades. It all makes sense.

    It's about doctrine and not personalities.




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    « Reply #14 on: June 19, 2013, 06:56:49 PM »
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  • A man asked a good question at the conference as to why the gang of liberals were not acting and saying these things whilst Archbishop Lefebvre was alive. The five or six liberals in the leadership and close to Bishop Fellay.

    They had to wait until the death of the Archbishop and prepare their laity. Rome plan to change the thinking of SSPX people. It is well advanced.

     

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