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Interior of the Immaculata (Saint Marys) Revealed
« on: May 08, 2021, 05:49:59 PM »
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    • High Altar looks like a table.
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    Re: Interior of the Immaculata (Saint Marys) Revealed
    « Reply #1 on: May 08, 2021, 06:19:25 PM »
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    • They did the same thing to the renovated chapel/altar in Ecône a few years back.

    Are they trying to comply with the 2002 General Instruction for the Roman Missal (Novus Ordo), for which the versus populum posture is the norm?

    “The altar should be built separate from the wall, in such a way that it is possible to walk around it easily and that Mass can be celebrated at it facing the people, which is desirable wherever possible."[18]Where practicable, the church altar should be built in such a way that the priest can easily walk around it and can celebrate Mass versus populum, but the text does not oblige the priest to avail of these possibilities.[19]”

    http://www.liturgyoffice.org.uk/Resources/GIRM/Docuмents/GIRM.pdf

    Somewhat worrisome that construction projects at two of the principle SSPX churches feature such altars.

    A cօռspιʀαcʏ theorist might construe this architecture as another incremental preparation for an eventual hybrid Mass.

    They’ve already got worldwide dialogue Masses, congregational singing, and now their largest church in the Western Hemisphere seems set up for versus populum Masses, should that be desired in the future.

    Outside of the altar, the church is beautiful.
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    Re: Interior of the Immaculata (Saint Marys) Revealed
    « Reply #2 on: May 08, 2021, 06:35:39 PM »
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    • Why is the Holy Ghost missing from the Dome?
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    Re: Interior of the Immaculata (Saint Marys) Revealed
    « Reply #3 on: May 08, 2021, 07:50:43 PM »
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    • Quote from: confederate catholic on May 08, 2021, 06:35:39 PM
    Why is the Holy Ghost missing from the Dome?

    There's a Holy Ghost dove at top of the lower dome above the altar.

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    Re: Interior of the Immaculata (Saint Marys) Revealed
    « Reply #4 on: May 08, 2021, 07:51:50 PM »
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    • St. Peter's in Rome doesn't have the main altar directly against the wall; my guess is that they're trying to imitate that style.
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    Re: Interior of the Immaculata (Saint Marys) Revealed
    « Reply #5 on: May 08, 2021, 07:52:54 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 08, 2021, 07:51:50 PM
    St. Peter's in Rome doesn't have the main altar directly against the wall; my guess is that they're trying to imitate that style.
    I knew that was coming. :facepalm:
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    Re: Interior of the Immaculata (Saint Marys) Revealed
    « Reply #6 on: May 08, 2021, 07:56:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on May 08, 2021, 07:52:54 PM
    I knew that was coming. :facepalm:

    Its layout resembles that of St. Peter's overall.  You can read whatever cօռspιʀαcʏ theory you want into it, but the simplest explanation is simply that it was an attempt to imitate St. Peter's.
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    Re: Interior of the Immaculata (Saint Marys) Revealed
    « Reply #7 on: May 08, 2021, 08:03:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on May 08, 2021, 07:56:28 PM
    Its layout resembles that of St. Peter's overall.  You can read whatever cօռspιʀαcʏ theory you want into it, but the simplest explanation is simply that it was an attempt to imitate St. Peter's.

    It’s layout resembles that prescribed by the 2002 GIRM.

    St. Peter’s was built with its apse to the west because of the difficult terrain.  Hence the orientation of the altar being versus populum.

    No such challenges exist in Ecône or St. Mary’s.
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    Re: Interior of the Immaculata (Saint Marys) Revealed
    « Reply #8 on: May 08, 2021, 08:50:11 PM »
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    • Did anyone see the other Youtube video?

     

    They took the old alter stone from the previous church and incorporate it into the floor of the new church. I've never seen anything quite like that before.
    Is something that was common in the past?   :confused:
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    Re: Interior of the Immaculata (Saint Marys) Revealed
    « Reply #9 on: May 08, 2021, 09:42:22 PM »
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    There's a Holy Ghost dove at top of the lower dome above the altar.

    Thanks I missed it
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    Re: Interior of the Immaculata (Saint Marys) Revealed
    « Reply #10 on: May 08, 2021, 09:45:00 PM »
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    • It's not a conspiracy that many ancient churches have the altar in the same position as in the video
    St Peter's is not the only one
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    Re: Interior of the Immaculata (Saint Marys) Revealed
    « Reply #11 on: May 08, 2021, 10:17:01 PM »
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    • Quote from: confederate catholic on May 08, 2021, 09:45:00 PM
    It's not a cօռspιʀαcʏ that many ancient churches have the altar in the same position as in the video
    St Peter's is not the only one
    And I knew that was coming as well.
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    Re: Interior of the Immaculata (Saint Marys) Revealed
    « Reply #12 on: May 08, 2021, 10:34:57 PM »
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    • Nice. Who's the architect? Looks like something Duncan Stroik would've designed.
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    Re: Interior of the Immaculata (Saint Marys) Revealed
    « Reply #13 on: May 09, 2021, 12:04:26 AM »
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    • I honestly don't get the idea that the position of let's say the altars at Syrian Orthodox churches has anything to do with the GRIM.

    I am also fairly certain that the position of an altar at a Greek Catholic church had anything to do with the GRIM

    A cursory glance at church architecture over time pre Vatican II shows this.

    Maybe everyone in the seminary wants to say the new mass maybe that's what it's all about. Maybe it's just the same design people who do all the architecture for the SSPX, maybe it's also just an attempt at uniform large mass center church design.
    How much speculation on a project which like all the rest is over budget and as you can see doesn't even have statues. How cynical are we to be over every aspect of things?
    I mean how many years have gone by with 'the SSPX made a deal with Rome's that hasn't materialized yet? Yes they compromised, the FSSP is in the New order and even they don't build their places for the NO.
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    Re: Interior of the Immaculata (Saint Marys) Revealed
    « Reply #14 on: May 09, 2021, 12:47:50 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on May 08, 2021, 06:19:25 PM
    They did the same thing to the renovated chapel/altar in Ecône a few years back.

    Are they trying to comply with the 2002 General Instruction for the Roman Missal (Novus Ordo), for which the versus populum posture is the norm?

    “The altar should be built separate from the wall, in such a way that it is possible to walk around it easily and that Mass can be celebrated at it facing the people, which is desirable wherever possible."[18]Where practicable, the church altar should be built in such a way that the priest can easily walk around it and can celebrate Mass versus populum, but the text does not oblige the priest to avail of these possibilities.[19]”

    http://www.liturgyoffice.org.uk/Resources/GIRM/Docuмents/GIRM.pdf

    Somewhat worrisome that construction projects at two of the principle SSPX churches feature such altars.

    A cօռspιʀαcʏ theorist might construe this architecture as another incremental preparation for an eventual hybrid Mass.

    They’ve already got worldwide dialogue Masses, congregational singing, and now their largest church in the Western Hemisphere seems set up for versus populum Masses, should that be desired in the future.

    This is my position.

    The neo-SSPX wants their flagship chapel to be more like St. Peters, and this: This architecture is another incremental preparation for an eventual hybrid Mass.

    When a man buys himself a new cell phone, makes sure the cell phone is locked, starts clearing his browser history on a daily basis, starts spending lots of time outside on the phone, starts coming home hours late from work on a regular basis, no longer wants to be romantic with his wife -- it's not "cօռspιʀαcʏ theory" or rash judgment to conjecture that the man might be having an affair!

    It's called having a rational brain, having a memory longer than a goldfish, and putting 2 & 2 together.
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