Author Topic: Interesting Terminology (Read 1076 times)

Ekim · « **on:** December 10, 2017, 09:10:49 PM »

Went to an SSPX adult catechism class today. The subject was the Liturgy. Someone posed a question (wish I remembered what it was...sorry) and the answer that was given was “That’s how they do it in the Novus Ordo Tradition, but that’s not how we do it here”.

I was dumbfounded by that phrase “That’s how they do it in the Novus Ordo Tradition...” as if it was just another facet of the Mystical Body of Christ, never mentioning or even hinting that the Novus Ordo was a danger to the Faith. It was simply the Novus Ordo Tradition is different than ours.

It was said so subtly and nonchalantly that anyone new to Tradition would have thought the “Novus Ordo Tradition” was just a different variant but acceptable option, just one that Traditionalist did not prefer.

Beware of sneaky little insertions. As the Irish saying goes...

“The Devil can’t hide his hooves “.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #1 on:** December 10, 2017, 10:47:01 PM »

Quote from: Ekim on December 10, 2017, 09:10:49 PM

Went to an SSPX adult catechism class today. The subject was the Liturgy. Someone posed a question (wish I remembered what it was...sorry) and the answer that was given was “That’s how they do it in the Novus Ordo Tradition, but that’s not how we do it here”.

I was dumbfounded by that phrase “That’s how they do it in the Novus Ordo Tradition...” as if it was just another facet of the Mystical Body of Christ, never mentioning or even hinting that the Novus Ordo was a danger to the Faith. It was simply the Novus Ordo Tradition is different than ours.

It was said so subtly and nonchalantly that anyone new to Tradition would have thought the “Novus Ordo Tradition” was just a different variant but acceptable option, just one that Traditionalist did not prefer.

Beware of sneaky little insertions. As the Irish saying goes...

“The Devil can’t hide his hooves “.

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Thank you for the warning. That would be a new one for me, as well. It might be helpful for other members if you could eventually mention which chapel this was at -- Post Falls? It seems to me that when these little sneaky phrases start creeping in to the discourse it's because the speaker has been given the phrase by someone higher in the chain of command -- like maybe the priest (?) read it in a letter from the District Superior or whatever. If you get the chance it might be informative if you could ask him where he got that term, Novus Ordo tradition.
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Reminds me of Protestants who were denouncing the "traditions of men" they accused the Catholic Church of developing, but then after a few hundred years, the same Protestants have now developed their OWN traditions! Traditional Protestantism is an oxymoron.
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Maria Regina · « **Reply #2 on:** December 11, 2017, 12:16:24 AM »

Novus Ordo tradition?

The Novus Ordo missal gets its origins from Protestants. Most have seen the photo of Pope Paul VI with these Protestant ministers. In fact, I even saw a copy of this Novus Ordo liturgy, almost word for word, that was published in the 1906 Lutheran Hymnal. When I showed this 1906 Lutheran Hymnal to my confessor back in 1995, he grabbed it from my hands and tossed it into the fireplace. He told me that seeing this Novus Ordo liturgy in the 1906 Lutheran Hymnal changed his life completely. He asked for and received permission from his superiors to start saying the Traditional Latin Mass of 1962 or earlier, not the Latin version of the Novus Ordo.

If anything, this Novus Ordo liturgy is a "Protestant Tradition," a tradition of heretics, that is certainly not a tradition from the Holy Apostles.

Incredulous · « **Reply #3 on:** December 11, 2017, 10:17:24 AM »

Quote from: Ekim on December 10, 2017, 09:10:49 PM

Went to an SSPX adult catechism class today. The subject was the Liturgy. Someone posed a question (wish I remembered what it was...sorry) and the answer that was given was “That’s how they do it in the Novus Ordo Tradition, but that’s not how we do it here”.

I was dumbfounded by that phrase “That’s how they do it in the Novus Ordo Tradition...” as if it was just another facet of the Mystical Body of Christ, never mentioning or even hinting that the Novus Ordo was a danger to the Faith. It was simply the Novus Ordo Tradition is different than ours.

It was said so subtly and nonchalantly that anyone new to Tradition would have thought the “Novus Ordo Tradition” was just a different variant but acceptable option, just one that Traditionalist did not prefer.

Beware of sneaky little insertions. As the Irish saying goes...

“The Devil can’t hide his hooves “.

A most astute observation Ekim.

Another example of how the SSPX uses Marxist tactics.

So, they change the definition from Vatican II modernism ---> to "Novus Ordo Traditions".
Not coincidentally, this is the same propaganda Pope Benedict was selling us... that the novus ordo missae had already become part of Church tradition, so we had to accept it.

This subtle propaganda comes from Menzingen's bi-monthly "talking points", to their priests no doubt.

Just another piece of evidence for making the Society a "red light" neo-trad group.

Kazimierz · « **Reply #4 on:** December 11, 2017, 11:47:20 AM »

Speaking of tradition.......(this always comes to mind)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #5 on:** December 11, 2017, 12:01:23 PM »

It's in line with "extraordinary form" thinking. We and the Novus Ordo just have different ways of doing things. Prior to Vatican II you could speak of Eastern tradition vs. Roman. But this is legitimizing the Novus Ordo as just a differnet flavor of Catholicism.

Stubborn · « **Reply #6 on:** December 11, 2017, 12:27:23 PM »

Quote from: Ekim on December 10, 2017, 09:10:49 PM

Went to an SSPX adult catechism class today. The subject was the Liturgy. Someone posed a question (wish I remembered what it was...sorry) and the answer that was given was “That’s how they do it in the Novus Ordo Tradition, but that’s not how we do it here”.

I was dumbfounded by that phrase “That’s how they do it in the Novus Ordo Tradition...” as if it was just another facet of the Mystical Body of Christ, never mentioning or even hinting that the Novus Ordo was a danger to the Faith. It was simply the Novus Ordo Tradition is different than ours.

It was said so subtly and nonchalantly that anyone new to Tradition would have thought the “Novus Ordo Tradition” was just a different variant but acceptable option, just one that Traditionalist did not prefer.

Beware of sneaky little insertions. As the Irish saying goes...

“The Devil can’t hide his hooves “.

I would have said something, I know of at least a few others who attend the same chapel who also would have had much to say in no uncertain terms about that bit of newsspx ideology. That's using exactly wrong terminology. Novus Ordo Tradition my eye.

Wessex · « **Reply #7 on:** December 11, 2017, 05:48:29 PM »

All religious bodies have their traditions which they pass from generation to generation and claim divine authority when doing this. The conciliar breakaway has over half a century developed its own distinct theology, doctrine, rituals, culture and collection of saints. Ditto the SSPX which has built a brand out of not wanting to exist and seems to thrive in its own world in spite of this. Respecting the traditions of adjacent churches would be a logical friendly position given its accommodating nature.

Neil Obstat · « **Reply #8 on:** December 11, 2017, 06:49:21 PM »

Quote from: Wessex on December 11, 2017, 05:48:29 PM

All religious bodies have their traditions which they pass from generation to generation and claim divine authority when doing this. The conciliar breakaway has over half a century developed its own distinct theology, doctrine, rituals, culture and collection of saints. Ditto the SSPX which has built a brand out of not wanting to exist and seems to thrive in its own world in spite of this. Respecting the traditions of adjacent churches would be a logical friendly position given its accommodating nature.

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"Ditto the SSPX?"
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So you're telling everyone that the SSPX has their own traditions for which they claim divine authority, like "all religious bodies?"
And the SSPX has for over half a century developed its own distinct theology, doctrine, rituals, culture and collection of saints?
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Really?
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Maria Regina · « **Reply #9 on:** December 11, 2017, 09:28:26 PM »

Quote from: Wessex on December 11, 2017, 05:48:29 PM

All religious bodies have their traditions which they pass from generation to generation and claim divine authority when doing this. The conciliar breakaway has over half a century developed its own distinct theology, doctrine, rituals, culture and collection of saints. Ditto the SSPX which has built a brand out of not wanting to exist and seems to thrive in its own world in spite of this. Respecting the traditions of adjacent churches would be a logical friendly position given its accommodating nature.

BEWARE: This posture of accommodation is also called ecuмenism, which leads to modernism and to other heresies.

Here in the USA, modernists and secular humanists are developing new "holiday traditions," which replace Christ in Christmas.

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Ekim

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