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Interesting occurrence at ICC Post Falls last week
« on: June 23, 2013, 04:45:45 PM »
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  • Something weird happened last week at ICC.  This wasn't just with my family, but for dozens of others out here who tried to go to confession before the Sunday Mass(es).

    There are confessions heard on Thursday evenings.  My wife and two of our boys went.  When they got there, there was the usual dozen plus or so others who were also waiting.  Here's where it gets odd: there weren't any priests in the confessional booths.  People were lined up waiting on both sides yet it was if the priests couldn't make it.   And it was common knowledge that there WERE priests there because the voice of one of them could be heard from the sacristy conversing on the telephone.  After about half- or three-quarters of an hour, with no discernable evidence of confessions being heard (or wanting to be heard), people just upped and left.  Perhaps, they figured, things will be different on Saturday morning, when confessions are scheduled in the morning.

    I went on Saturday morning.  I even got there early, thinking that because of the Thursday night fiasco, there'd be double the number of people waiting to be heard.  I wasn't wrong either as there were quite a number of souls lining up.  It started becoming surreal; I've never experienced going to confession where that little light above that center booth is just... not there.  Maybe things are running late, I thought.  So I waited.  And waited.  More and more people coming in.

    About 10am, a woman came in and went to a few others and whispered something, which then filtered back my way.  The message was that confession was cancelled - something about scheduling conflicts - and that there was even a printed message in the vestibule.  Now I can't excuse my ignorance for not scanning every little thing posted up behind the glass, but I really can't find any excuse for 'cancelling.'  There are six (6) priests there at ICC.  I know they weren't all in VA, and gearing up for the Cataldo pilgrimage does not take up 72 hours of time or warrant a 'dereliction of duty.'

    My family and I (and others) were told that there would also be no confessions heard at St. Dominics on the Sundays when Masses were held.  What is going on here?  Is it because no one is sinning anymore and they've got to economize?  Is ICC and St Dominic's taking a page from the Novus Ordo business plan and offering confessions once-a-week-every-week-for-a-half-hour?  Are parishoners being punished because we're getting in the way of priestly 'me time?'  Sorry to interrupt the snooker game in the rectory, gentlemen, but come on!  Our bulletin has a quarter page dedicated to the sick; am I to assume that sacraments, the elderly, or the infirm are now inconveniences?

    Did anyone else in Post Falls run into this?





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    « Reply #1 on: June 23, 2013, 04:56:36 PM »
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  • The neo-SSPX is now being run according to business principles.


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    Interesting occurrence at ICC Post Falls last week
    « Reply #2 on: June 23, 2013, 05:38:08 PM »
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  • Quote from: Novus Weirdo
    Something weird happened last week at ICC.  This wasn't just with my family, but for dozens of others out here who tried to go to confession before the Sunday Mass(es).

    There are confessions heard on Thursday evenings.  My wife and two of our boys went.  When they got there, there was the usual dozen plus or so others who were also waiting.  Here's where it gets odd: there weren't any priests in the confessional booths.  People were lined up waiting on both sides yet it was if the priests couldn't make it.   And it was common knowledge that there WERE priests there because the voice of one of them could be heard from the sacristy conversing on the telephone.  After about half- or three-quarters of an hour, with no discernable evidence of confessions being heard (or wanting to be heard), people just upped and left.  Perhaps, they figured, things will be different on Saturday morning, when confessions are scheduled in the morning.

    I went on Saturday morning.  I even got there early, thinking that because of the Thursday night fiasco, there'd be double the number of people waiting to be heard.  I wasn't wrong either as there were quite a number of souls lining up.  It started becoming surreal; I've never experienced going to confession where that little light above that center booth is just... not there.  Maybe things are running late, I thought.  So I waited.  And waited.  More and more people coming in.

    About 10am, a woman came in and went to a few others and whispered something, which then filtered back my way.  The message was that confession was cancelled - something about scheduling conflicts - and that there was even a printed message in the vestibule.  Now I can't excuse my ignorance for not scanning every little thing posted up behind the glass, but I really can't find any excuse for 'cancelling.'  There are six (6) priests there at ICC.  I know they weren't all in VA, and gearing up for the Cataldo pilgrimage does not take up 72 hours of time or warrant a 'dereliction of duty.'

    My family and I (and others) were told that there would also be no confessions heard at St. Dominics on the Sundays when Masses were held.  What is going on here?  Is it because no one is sinning anymore and they've got to economize?  Is ICC and St Dominic's taking a page from the Novus Ordo business plan and offering confessions once-a-week-every-week-for-a-half-hour?  Are parishoners being punished because we're getting in the way of priestly 'me time?'  Sorry to interrupt the snooker game in the rectory, gentlemen, but come on!  Our bulletin has a quarter page dedicated to the sick; am I to assume that sacraments, the elderly, or the infirm are now inconveniences?

    Did anyone else in Post Falls run into this?






    Wasn't in Post Falls, but could they have been gone to ordinations? In many of the smaller chapels (not priories), everything shuts down for ordinations, and the timing sounds right for that.

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    « Reply #3 on: June 23, 2013, 07:04:34 PM »
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  • Forgive my ignorance, but, what is ICC?  I tried to look it up on Google, but there are a lot of organizations with this acronym.

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    « Reply #4 on: June 23, 2013, 07:05:41 PM »
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    Wasn't in Post Falls, but could they have been gone to ordinations? In many of the smaller chapels (not priories), everything shuts down for ordinations, and the timing sounds right for that.


    Well, you know, that's a good point and I hadn't considered it.  But would that require all six priests to just up and forget about administering to the faithful?  It seems presumptuous (and ridiculously so) to think that.  What if someone needed extreme unction?  It just strikes me as being odd.


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    « Reply #5 on: June 23, 2013, 07:14:57 PM »
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    Forgive my ignorance, but, what is ICC?  I tried to look it up on Google, but there are a lot of organizations with this acronym.



    It's okay, TKGS  -  it stands for Immaculate Conception Church.  

    I had the same experience you just had about a year ago for
    personal reasons.  I couldn't find an answer anywhere!!  I forgot
    how I finally found it, but it wasn't easy!!


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    « Reply #6 on: June 23, 2013, 07:16:46 PM »
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  • Why not just call and ask?  Call before hand next time to be sure a priest will be there for confessions.

    Marsha

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    « Reply #7 on: June 23, 2013, 07:18:37 PM »
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    Forgive my ignorance, but, what is ICC?  I tried to look it up on Google, but there are a lot of organizations with this acronym.


    Immaculate Conception Church, Post Falls, ID.

    Marsha


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    « Reply #8 on: June 23, 2013, 07:20:29 PM »
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    Why not just call and ask?  Call before hand next time to be sure a priest will be there for confessions.
    Marsha


    Because if it is printed on their weekly bulletins, then I or anyone else shouldn't have to call.  We trust that they will stick to their word (and their work).

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    « Reply #9 on: June 23, 2013, 07:20:48 PM »
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  • Quote from: Novus Weirdo
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    Wasn't in Post Falls, but could they have been gone to ordinations? In many of the smaller chapels (not priories), everything shuts down for ordinations, and the timing sounds right for that.


    Well, you know, that's a good point and I hadn't considered it.  But would that require all six priests to just up and forget about administering to the faithful?  It seems presumptuous (and ridiculously so) to think that.  What if someone needed extreme unction?  It just strikes me as being odd.



    I'm surprised you're taking it so well!  You're right, it's 'a bit odd'
    but it's also a first, is it not?  

    Has this ever happened before?  I've had it happen as you say
    with NovusOrdo parishes, but trad chapels are almost always
    much better about it, and I think I know why.  The priest has
    words of encouragement for the faithful to go to confession,
    and he would lose credibility if he and his fellow priests urge
    people to show up and then the priest DOESN'T.

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    « Reply #10 on: June 23, 2013, 07:38:59 PM »
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    Wasn't in Post Falls, but could they have been gone to ordinations? In many of the smaller chapels (not priories), everything shuts down for ordinations, and the timing sounds right for that.


    Well, you know, that's a good point and I hadn't considered it.  But would that require all six priests to just up and forget about administering to the faithful?  It seems presumptuous (and ridiculously so) to think that.  What if someone needed extreme unction?  It just strikes me as being odd.



    I'm surprised you're taking it so well!  You're right, it's 'a bit odd'
    but it's also a first, is it not?  

    Has this ever happened before?  I've had it happen as you say
    with NovusOrdo parishes, but trad chapels are almost always
    much better about it, and I think I know why.  The priest has
    words of encouragement for the faithful to go to confession,
    and he would lose credibility if he and his fellow priests urge
    people to show up and then the priest DOESN'T.



    You are right, it is a first.  Maybe I'm still a bit stunned because it is a Trad chapel.  But these confession schedules have been in place for years and this is just out and out denial of the Sacraments.  It wasn't as if confession for the week was cancelled; they just didn't show up!  If I did that at my job, I'd be given the pink slip.


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    « Reply #11 on: June 23, 2013, 07:56:28 PM »
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    Why not just call and ask?  Call before hand next time to be sure a priest will be there for confessions.
    Marsha


    Because if it is printed on their weekly bulletins, then I or anyone else shouldn't have to call.  We trust that they will stick to their word (and their work).


    That's quite true, but things happen, schedules can get mixed up, people get called away.  Why look for some thing sinister behind this mix-up when it could be something quite innocent?  A simple phone call will ensure that you are not inconvenienced again.

    Marsha

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    « Reply #12 on: June 23, 2013, 08:30:53 PM »
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  • If they weren't there for scheduled confessions what makes you think they'd schedule a private one?

    That parish has gained a reputation recently for cutting corners.


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    « Reply #13 on: June 23, 2013, 08:54:48 PM »
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    Wasn't in Post Falls, but could they have been gone to ordinations? In many of the smaller chapels (not priories), everything shuts down for ordinations, and the timing sounds right for that.


    Well, you know, that's a good point and I hadn't considered it.  But would that require all six priests to just up and forget about administering to the faithful?  It seems presumptuous (and ridiculously so) to think that.  What if someone needed extreme unction?  It just strikes me as being odd.


    Sadly, with the games they have been playing recently because of the crisis in the SSPX, I could see them doing that as a way to "get even" with us. I'm sure something like that would have Fr. Rostand's approval. Look at the length they went to in order to keep Fr. Hewko out of ordinations. Remember, Fr. Chazal said "this is war!"

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    « Reply #14 on: June 23, 2013, 11:13:45 PM »
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    Why not just call and ask?  Call before hand next time to be sure a priest will be there for confessions.
    Marsha


    Because if it is printed on their weekly bulletins, then I or anyone else shouldn't have to call.  We trust that they will stick to their word (and their work).


    That's quite true, but things happen, schedules can get mixed up, people get called away.  Why look for some thing sinister behind this mix-up when it could be something quite innocent?  A simple phone call will ensure that you are not inconvenienced again.

    Marsha



    Before presuming that it could be "something quite innocent," it might be
    good to know, what was the content of the "printed message
    in the vestibule, posted up behind the glass?"



    Quote from: the OP
    About 10am, a woman came in and went to a few others and whispered something, which then filtered back my way. The message was that confession was cancelled - something about scheduling conflicts - and that there was even a printed message in the vestibule. Now I can't excuse my ignorance for not scanning every little thing posted up behind the glass, but I really can't find any excuse for 'cancelling.'





    I recall that the announcement that the Third Secret of Fatima would
    not be released, not now, and probably not ever, was made by way
    of a printed message, a short one of about 30 words, that appeared
    in January of 1960 in a small Italian secular newspaper as an
    advertisement or a Public Service Announcement, without any author
    or source noted, and the newspaper had no answer regarding from
    whom it came.





    Also, the fact that they're cutting back on Confessions at St. Dominic's
    raises more eyebrows:

    Quote from: the OP
    My family and I (and others) were told that there would also be no confessions heard at St. Dominic's on the Sundays when Masses were held. What is going on here? Is it because no one is sinning anymore and they've got to economize? Is ICC and St Dominic's taking a page from the Novus Ordo business plan and offering confessions once-a-week-every-week-for-a-half-hour? Are parishioners being punished because we're getting in the way of priestly 'me time?' Sorry to interrupt the snooker game in the rectory, gentlemen, but come on! Our bulletin has a quarter page dedicated to the sick; am I to assume that sacraments, the elderly, or the infirm are now inconveniences?



    You know, a half hour is pretty thin.  To be real, sometimes one
    penitent can take a half hour -- are you going to have some kind
    of blanket policy that pushes them to hurry through it, thereby
    trivializing their delicate or pivotal situation?  If the salvation of
    souls is the highest law of the Church, giving the requisite time for
    each penitent in Confession ought to be a high priority, like one of
    the highest of all priorities across the board!


    With 6 priests on hand, there really should be time for Confessions.  

    I would hold the rectory to providing some explanation for this policy
    change.  They can't expect to pull this off without anyone asking
    questions.  

    So, it's not going to be via an honest announcement for all to hear,
    but whatever the "newpolicy" is, will be given out (if at all!) by way
    of individual phone calls.  

    Okay, then, everyone who was turned away, basically, should be
    calling the rectory asking questions.  If they can't find time to make
    an honest announcement for everyone, then they must be planning
    on having a ready answer at hand for dozens of phone calls.  And
    don't fall for them saying "to spread the word" or whatever.  It's their
    job to let everyone know what's going on.



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