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Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
« on: February 04, 2021, 11:38:23 AM »
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  • (*Keep in mind that I am talking about the "elite" of the Catholics of today, the so-called traditionalist, and specifically the Catholics that go to SSPX chapels, parents and their children who go to mass every Sunday who but live worldly lives attached to sin.)


    It has always been baffling to me how Catholics today that go out of their way to go to a serious mass and undoubtedly valid sacraments, can be so indifferent to the faith in their lives. Why go at all if they live worldly lives and are attached to sin? What a waste of the greatest of all gifts! From my 25 years of experience in these circles, I have concluded that these indifferent Catholics were given tradition by their parents or friend, like an inheritance, and they have no appreciation of what it took to get it or how easy it is to lose. They have no fear of disappointing God. They do not see themselves adulterating the faith, till eventually they stop going to mass altogether. I saw this first hand as a child going to mass in the early 1960’s, all those Catholics lived the same EXACT way as I describe for the SSPXers today, and they all lost the faith completely.

    The most important act of one’s life is how they have been living the faith. If one is attached to sin, they will never arrive at the narrow gate that leads to salvation. If one is a male living with a woman, fornicating, has a Novus Ordo annulment (living in adultery), is attached to pornography, exposes himself with pleasure to near occasions of sin (lusting for women) by going  to crowded beaches, bars, practices self abuse, uses drugs, drinks excessively....... or if one is a female, dressing immodestly to attract men, going to beaches and bars, having relations with men.... If they are attached to any of those sins, they are living  " in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish: because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: That all may be judged who have not believed the truth but have consented to iniquity. " (2Thes2)
     
     So, the answer is to cleanse oneself of all iniquities in confession with a real priest and do not sin again.


    Among adults there are few saved because of the sins of the flesh....With exception of those who die in childhood, most men will be damned. (St. Remigius of Rheims)
     
     There are many who arrive at the faith, but few who are led to the heavenly kingdom. Behold how many are gathered here for today's Feast-Day; we fill the church from wall to wall. Yet who knows how FEW they are who shall be numbered in that chosen company of the elect? (Pope St. Gregory the Great)
     
     St. John Chrysostom, Patriarch of Constantinople, Doctor of the Church:
      
     I do not speak rashly, but as I feel and think., I do not think that many priests are saved but that those that perish are far more numerous. The reason is that the office requires a great soul. For there are many things to make a priest swerve from rectitude, and he requires great vigilance on every side. Do you not perceive how many qualities a bishop must have that he may be apt to teach; patient towards the wicked, firm and faithful in teaching the Word? How many difficulties herein. Moreover the loss of others is imputed to him. I need say no more. If but one dies without baptism, does it not entirely endanger his salvation? For the loss of one soul is so great an evil as no man can understand. If the salvation of one soul is of such importance that, for its sake, the Son of God became man and suffered so much, think of the penalty the loss of one soul will entail. (Third Homily, Acts of the Apostles)
     
     They who are enlightened to walk in the way of perfection, and through lukewarmness wish to tread the ordinary paths, shall be abandoned. (Bl. Angela of Foligno)
      
     They who are to be saved as Saints, and wish to be saved as imperfect souls, shall not be saved. (Pope St. Gregory the Great)
      
     St. Teresa.... had she not risen from the state of lukewarmness in which she lived, she would in the end have lost the grace of God and been damned. ( St. Alphonsus Liguori)
     
     If you only knew the women who will go to Hell because they did not bring into the world the children they should have given to it. ( St. John Vianney)



    My point was spelled out clearly, and it is very simple. In short, if one plays games with God they will receive little from their "system". One can see in all those saint quotes that they are talking about Catholics who go to mass, and even priests, and yet the majority will be lost! Why is that? They all go to mass and yet it is of no avail to them because they are attached to sin. They prefer their sins to God. They are just playing games with God.

    Prayer obtains the Grace to stop sinning, only if one is sincere. Scarcely any Catholics today are sincere, I doubt that 1% of baptized Catholics will be saved, if that. Read those quotes by the saints and tell me if I am mistaken.
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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #1 on: February 04, 2021, 11:48:01 AM »
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  • I attend an SSPX chapel and I have never experienced one iota of what you wrote.

    You are over-generalizing in your sensational title.
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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #2 on: February 04, 2021, 12:12:38 PM »
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  • Our Lord's agony in the garden was not because He knew the tortures that were coming, He had no problem with that, what He agonized about was that He foreknew that his sacrifice would be of no avail to the innumerable masses who would reject his gift. He jumped in front of a bullet for humanity, and humanity cared not one iota.
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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #3 on: February 04, 2021, 12:15:03 PM »
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  • I attend an SSPX chapel and I have never experienced one iota of what you wrote.

    You are over-generalizing in your sensational title.
    I have attended four SSPX chapels and have witnessed what he has described (indifference, not living the faith, Sunday only Catholics, divorce, etc.) in various degrees. 

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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #4 on: February 04, 2021, 12:17:17 PM »
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  • I attend an SSPX chapel and I have never experienced one iota of what you wrote.

    You are over-generalizing in your sensational title.
    Perhaps Gregory the Great  is also over-generalizing about his church:

    There are many who arrive at the faith, but few who are led to the heavenly kingdom. Behold how many are gathered here for today's Feast-Day; we fill the church from wall to wall. Yet who knows how FEW they are who shall be numbered in that chosen company of the elect? (Pope St. Gregory the Great)
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #5 on: February 04, 2021, 12:20:42 PM »
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  • I have attended four SSPX chapels and have witnessed what he has described (indifference, not living the faith, Sunday only Catholics, divorce, etc.) in various degrees.
    4 out of 130 in the US?
    Yeah thats not over generalizing either.
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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #6 on: February 04, 2021, 12:21:04 PM »
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  • Perhaps Gregory the Great  is also over-generalizing about his church:

    There are many who arrive at the faith, but few who are led to the heavenly kingdom. Behold how many are gathered here for today's Feast-Day; we fill the church from wall to wall. Yet who knows how FEW they are who shall be numbered in that chosen company of the elect? (Pope St. Gregory the Great)
    No rather he is speculating.
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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #7 on: February 04, 2021, 12:37:48 PM »
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  • Perhaps Gregory the Great  is also over-generalizing about his church:

    There are many who arrive at the faith, but few who are led to the heavenly kingdom. Behold how many are gathered here for today's Feast-Day; we fill the church from wall to wall. Yet who knows how FEW they are who shall be numbered in that chosen company of the elect? (Pope St. Gregory the Great)
    Pope St. Gregory the Great was speaking there in the 7th century from a Church in Rome during a pontifical mass, a Catholic city, a Catholic time. The church is packed with Catholics, and yet he wonders "how FEW they are who shall be numbered in that chosen company of the elect".

    Yet on this thread we have a poster that is basically saying that his chapel is perfect, that none of those things happen at his chapel.  
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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #8 on: February 04, 2021, 12:37:57 PM »
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  • 4 out of 130 in the US?
    Yeah thats not over generalizing either.
    I was neither over or under generalizing, but just sating my own observation from experience at SSPX priories and chapels. However, if I were to make a generalization I would suspect the Saints are correct, that few are saved. No matter what trad group or non-trad group a Catholic belongs to.

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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #9 on: February 04, 2021, 12:39:51 PM »
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  • I was neither over or under generalizing, but just sating my own observation from experience at SSPX priories and chapels. However, if I were to make a generalization I would suspect the Saints are correct, that few are saved. No matter what trad group or non-trad group a Catholic belongs to.
    Sorry for my presumption. However I do agree regarding the fewness of the saved.
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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #10 on: February 04, 2021, 12:41:27 PM »
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  • Pope St. Gregory the Great was speaking there in the 7th century from a Church in Rome during a pontifical mass, a Catholic city, a Catholic time. The church is packed with Catholics, and yet he wonders "how FEW they are who shall be numbered in that chosen company of the elect".

    Yet on this thread we have a poster that is basically saying that his chapel is perfect, none of those things happen at my chapel.  
    No one said anything about my chapel being perfect. But its certainly no den of lukewarm adulterers, marginal Catholics, and immoral beasts.
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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #11 on: February 04, 2021, 12:51:38 PM »
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  • No one said anything about my chapel being perfect. But its certainly no den of lukewarm adulterers, marginal Catholics, and immoral beasts.
    Everyone would have said the same in the 1960's about the Catholic Church that I went to as a child, way before the Novus Ordo existed, and yet today they have all lost the faith.

    Perhaps the writer is someone who does not have children and goes to mass and does not get close to others in the congregation? Perhaps he is one that is impressed by the smells and bells and the few minutes he sees the well dressed congregation during mass? In order for one to know people they have to know them outside of those 2 hours at mass. A single person who's only association with the congregation is during 2 hours of mass is not going to know much about those people. Perhaps the person lives in a cold climate where there are no beaches, short shorts, pencil skirts and such signs of worldliness among the congregation? 
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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #12 on: February 04, 2021, 12:55:26 PM »
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  • Everyone would have said the same in the 1960's about the Catholic Church that I went to as a child, way before the Novus Ordo existed, and yet today they have all lost the faith.

    Perhaps the writer is someone who does not have children and goes to mass and does not get close to others in the congregation? Perhaps he is one that is impressed by the smells and bells and the few minutes he sees the well dressed congregation during mass? In order for one to know people they have to know them outside of those 2 hours at mass. A single person who's only association with the congregation is during 2 hours of mass is not going to know much about those people. Perhaps the person lives in a cold climate where there are no beaches, short shorts, pencil skirts and such signs of worldliness among the congregation?
    All great points to take into consideration as possibilities, but why assume the worst by default?
    You're right that I don't really know too many people in my chapel outside of Mass.
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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #13 on: February 04, 2021, 05:58:14 PM »
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  • I have been observing for some time now that many of the new (since the late 1990’s) parents that go to my SSPX chapel, do so because of their children and not because they are seeking the faith and truth. They believe that exposing their children to “religion” will make them good children (and teenagers).  In my long experience it does not work that way. The parents have to lead by example, really living the faith. Just going to mass for the children will eventually be seen by the children for the hypocrisy that it is. I saw the same exact thing in the 1960’s when the Latin Mass was the only mass and all the sacraments were undoubtable real. It was not long after that time that the children left the Church and took up the cult of free-love, contraceptives, abortion, divorce, and a life of being passed from one man to another.

    It is happening again in my SSPX chapel. It is also happening in the SSPX community in St. Mary’s Kansas, the icon of all SSPX communities with schools from K-12 to college. It is happening in the SSPX schools in Syracuse, NY. All the girls from my chapel  that were sent away to SSPX schools in St. Mary’s and Syracuse, all came back wearing immodest clothing (pencil skirts, short shorts, bathing suits, tight jeans) and boy crazy, seeking or having “boyfriends” and “dating”. Setting a bad example for all the younger girls.

    The signs are all there for the loss of the faith and the downhill slide to the misery of the 1960’s (“It was not long after that time that the children left the Church and took up the cult of free-love, contraceptives, abortion, divorce and a life of being passed from one man to another”.) It is already happening at a fast pace, three unwed pregnancies, and more to come.
    Unless parents and especially priests wake up on see, the downhill slide will continue, it will be the 1960’s all over again.
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    Re: Indifference to the Faith at SSPX Chapels
    « Reply #14 on: February 04, 2021, 06:06:13 PM »
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  • I attend an SSPX chapel and I have never experienced one iota of what you wrote.

    You are over-generalizing in your sensational title.

    So now we know what you are  :laugh1:

    Why are you on this forum a**hole?
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