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Offline mw2016

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Independent Chinese Bishop?
« on: June 16, 2016, 06:25:19 PM »
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  • http://www.traditio.com/comment/com1606.htm

    Does this group have a Bishop?

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    On June 14, 2016, Newbishop Thaddeus Ma Dagin, of Shanghai, China, stunned Newchurch by rejecting Francis-Bergoglio's New Order sect to go traditional Catholic. Dagin left the Newchurch of the New Order and joined the long-standing Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association, which is based in traditional Roman Catholicism and stands apart from the New Order sect. The CPA does not recognize Bergoglio and the other Newpopes, but regularly ordains priests and consecrates bishops without involvement with Bergoglio.

    The ordinations and consecrations administered by the Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association are unquestionably valid -- as are also, according to the constant teaching of the Catholic Church, the ordinations and consecrations of the Eastern Orthodox and the Old Catholics -- because the Association retains the Apostolic Succession. To the contrary, Newchurch and its Newpopes since 1968 have not ordained priests or consecrated bishops under the traditional Sacrament of Holy Orders. Instead, it merely installs presbyters and Newbishops according to the invalid Protestantized New Ordinal of 1968, fabricated by the Freemason presbyter Hannibal Bugnini.

    The Association has widely retained the Traditional Latin Mass and Sacraments of the Roman Catholic Church, as they were brought to China by the Jesuit Missionaries. Celebrations of the Traditional Latin Mass in China by the Association have been broadcast on international television. To the contrary, the Newchurch of the New Order, currently led by Newpope Francis-Bergoglio, has rejected the valid, traditional Latin rites of the Roman Catholic Church and substituted invalid Protestantized Mess and the Sacraments in the vulgar tongues, condemned by the dogmatic Council of Trent. [Some information for this Commentary was contributed by UCA News.]

    True Catholics, the situation of Catholicism in China is complex and too much involved in secular politics, but the same can be said even more concerning the Newchurch of the New Order. Yet the Roman Catholics of the Chinese Patriotic Association do widely retain the valid Traditional Latin Mass and Sacraments, whereas Newchurch has completely replaced religion with politics, abandoned the Catholic Mass and Sacraments, and is currently selected as its Newpope an open Marxist.


    Maybe Fr. Pfeiffer should meet him, if there is one.
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    Offline Last Tradhican

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    « Reply #1 on: June 16, 2016, 06:44:09 PM »
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  • The Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association are schismatic church of the Communist party. They were declared in schism by Pius XII. They have recently been legitimized by the conciliar church, who abandoned, shot in the back, the Chinese underground Catholic Church who have been living a life of martyrdom since the communist takeover of China in 1948.

    Whoever wrote this article knows nothing about China or is a mole.
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    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


    Offline mw2016

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    « Reply #2 on: June 16, 2016, 07:43:25 PM »
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  • Quote from: Last Tradhican
    The Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association are schismatic church of the Communist party. They were declared in schism by Pius XII. They have recently been legitimized by the conciliar church, who abandoned, shot in the back, the Chinese underground Catholic Church who have been living a life of martyrdom since the communist takeover of China in 1948.

    Whoever wrote this article knows nothing about China or is a mole.


    Why would they be using the TLM?

    And why would Fr. Morrison be that wrong? He usually seems to get it right, but I don't know anything about this topic.

    Offline Centroamerica

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    « Reply #3 on: June 16, 2016, 07:45:11 PM »
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  •  In his encyclical Ad Apostolorum principis of 29 July 1958, Pope Pius XII deplored the attitude and activities of the Association and declared the bishops who participated in consecrating new bishops selected by the Association to be excommunicated. Pope Benedict XVI referred to the agents of the Association as "persons who are not ordained, and sometimes not even baptised", who "control and take decisions concerning important ecclesial questions, including the appointment of Bishops".
    We conclude logically that religion can give an efficacious and truly realistic answer to the great modern problems only if it is a religion that is profoundly lived, not simply a superficial and cheap religion made up of some vocal prayers and some ceremonies...

    Offline AJNC

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    « Reply #4 on: June 16, 2016, 08:59:28 PM »
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  • Quote from: mw2016
    Quote from: Last Tradhican
    The Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association are schismatic church of the Communist party. They were declared in schism by Pius XII. They have recently been legitimized by the conciliar church, who abandoned, shot in the back, the Chinese underground Catholic Church who have been living a life of martyrdom since the communist takeover of China in 1948.

    Whoever wrote this article knows nothing about China or is a mole.


    Why would they be using the TLM?

    And why would Fr. Morrison be that wrong? He usually seems to get it right, but I don't know anything about this topic.


    Quite bizarre on the part of Fr Morrison!. Even the Underground Church of China went Novus Ordo many years ago.


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    « Reply #5 on: June 16, 2016, 09:28:34 PM »
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  • This article from Traditio is once again (how many times are we going to say this on the forum?) proof that Traditio is not interested in truth but journalistic flare. They twist, distort, and manipulate the facts to serve their petty agenda.

    Never trust their news!

    Offline Last Tradhican

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    « Reply #6 on: June 17, 2016, 08:52:03 AM »
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  • Quote from: mw2016
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    The Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association are schismatic church of the Communist party. They were declared in schism by Pius XII. They have recently been legitimized by the conciliar church, who abandoned, shot in the back, the Chinese underground Catholic Church who have been living a life of martyrdom since the communist takeover of China in 1948.

    Whoever wrote this article knows nothing about China or is a mole.


    Why would they be using the TLM?



    The Satanists use the Latin Mass too.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24

    Offline Last Tradhican

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    « Reply #7 on: June 17, 2016, 06:11:26 PM »
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  • Quote from: obscurus
    This article from Traditio is once again (how many times are we going to say this on the forum?) proof that Traditio is not interested in truth but journalistic flare. They twist, distort, and manipulate the facts to serve their petty agenda.

    Never trust their news!


    I don't know anything about them but this case, and it tells me that they don't care if they make fools of themselves. They might as well dress like Bozo.
    The Vatican II church - Assisting Souls to Hell Since 1962

    For there shall arise false Christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect. Mat 24:24


    Offline TheRealMcCoy

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    « Reply #8 on: June 17, 2016, 06:24:43 PM »
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    The Satanists use the Latin Mass too.


    Well there's your proof that Francis is not a satanist.

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    « Reply #9 on: June 18, 2016, 06:45:35 PM »
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  • I think this clears things up a little -

    "Chinese bishop shocks faithful by recanting position on state-run church"

    http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2016/06/17/chinese-bishop-shocks-faithful-by-recanting-position-on-state-run-church/


    As part of his "rehabilitation" as a counter revolutionary, the bishop "attended" reeducation classes.

    Apparently, the "treatment" worked.  In other words he was brainwashed and/or tortured until his spirit was broken.

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    « Reply #10 on: June 18, 2016, 07:36:21 PM »
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  • Quote from: Last Tradhican
    The Chinese Patriotic Catholic Association are schismatic church of the Communist party. They were declared in schism by Pius XII. They have recently been legitimized by the conciliar church, who abandoned, shot in the back, the Chinese underground Catholic Church who have been living a life of martyrdom since the communist takeover of China in 1948.

    Whoever wrote this article knows nothing about China or is a mole.



    Even if their priests at times celebrate the Mass of Ages, that pronouncement of Pius XII stands.


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    « Reply #11 on: June 18, 2016, 11:36:43 PM »
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  • Quote from: TheRealMcCoy
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    The Satanists use the Latin Mass too.

    Well there's your proof that Francis is not a satanist.


    What refreshing optimism!

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