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Independent chapel 20 min. from Boston, KY
« on: October 18, 2015, 11:08:19 AM »
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  • A little bird sent me a letter yesterday:


    Fr. Gavin Bitzer has an independent chapel in Louisville, KY. This chapel operates a small school

    http://olpchapel.org

    Fr. John O'Connor is retired but assists Fr. Bitzer on occasion.

    Fr. Bitzer was ordained by Abp. Lefebvre in the 80's, but I don't know his history of leaving the SSPX. He's visited Fr. Pfeiffer's location in Boston several times to my knowledge, but I am unaware of his relationship with Fathers Pfeiffer and Hewko. I do know that Fr. Voigt spent part of one year not long ago teaching and helping Fr. Bitzer in Louisville. Fr. Bitzer is not part of Fr. Pfeiffer's group, however. Neither is Fr. Bitzer a sedevacantist.

    Fr. Bitzer says Mass almost every Sunday.
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    « Reply #1 on: October 18, 2015, 11:12:30 AM »
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  • If I lived in or around Boston, KY, I'd certainly be looking into this chapel right about now.

    To the person who sent me the letter: I am not from Kentucky, so I'm not aware of every independent chapel, or every priest who left the SSPX over the years. I will freely admit my knowledge and "radar" is decidedly SSPX-centric.

    I know very little about Sedevacantist circles, the dozens of independent chapels that dot the United States, or Indult circles.

    No one told me about this chapel before I received your letter.
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    « Reply #2 on: October 18, 2015, 11:39:51 AM »
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  • Our Lady of the Pillar is Feeneyite.  Staunchly so.  Fr Hewko has tried to convert them.  But some of the OLMC laity attend Mass there as well.  I don't know anything other than that.

    There is a Thuc line in Union, KY.

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    « Reply #3 on: October 18, 2015, 12:19:28 PM »
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  • Nevermind.....

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    « Reply #4 on: October 18, 2015, 12:20:57 PM »
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  • I don't live in the States; and, although I've attempted to contact Father King to see if it is still safe, I go to the Society of St Pius X's Mass in Edinburgh.

    Nevertheless, I am grieved to see Father Pfeiffer falling, as the articles here would suggest I know that he made a stand against the liberalising of the Society very early on.  The goings-on (which I cannot follow) with a doubtful Bishop and, I think, breaking away from Bishops Williamson and Faure are gravely wrong. There is an 'Eleison Comment' talking about certain priests changing very fast. It is sobering to think of how the Devil works -- I myself am weak-minded and perverse and will cling to Our Lady. Please pray for me.

    Bear in mind I only consider myself a sincere 'Resistant' after looking at a copy of the ''Recusant'' earlier this week (Bishop Fellay's scandalous letter of June 17 2012) so I know little or nothing other than what I've gleaned here. These are loose ideas I had.

    I would suggest writing to His Lordship Bishop Williamson, who can be contacted at:

    Regina Martyrum House
    17, West Cliff Road
    Broadstairs,
    Kent CT10 1PU
    England

    I am sure the good Bishop will be able at least to put people in touch with a sound priest.

    I believe Father Chazal has rebuked Fr Pfeiffer over this dubious Bishop -- I think he is in Asia, am I correct? There is also a Mexican Father, Zendejas, whom I also know of only through the internet. At least in the June of this year he was with Bishop Williamson at a conference in New York State and His Lordship acknowledged a St Dominic's Chapel at which he says Mass. I'm afraid I have only the Internet to go on.

    This may of course all be old-hat and it's certainly the ignorant advising the informed.

    Be assured of a Rosary (a 5-decade Chaplet) and a small corporal penance tonight both for Catholics suffering from Father Pfeiffer's apparent fall and for the priest's soul.

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    « Reply #5 on: October 18, 2015, 12:24:57 PM »
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  • Nah,nah Our Lady of Pillar is Feenyite, but it's a good place. The faithful there are pious, decent folk. It is actually quite annoying for some people on here to say in ignorance that they need to be converted. They are good Catholics devoutly keeping the Faith. Fr. Hewko obviously needs some conversion unfortunately...

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    « Reply #6 on: October 18, 2015, 12:32:52 PM »
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  • Fr. Bitzer was the priest at St. Joseph's in Greenwood, Indiana for a few years.  He Later went to Louisville and Fr. O'Connor took over at St. Joseph's.  During these years, Fr. O'Connor, Fr. Bitzer, and Fr. Wathen (Evansville, IN) worked together, filling in for each other as needed.  This was before St. Joseph's was turned over to the SSPX.

    Fr. Bizter is not sedevacantist (at least he wasn't when I knew him) though I've never heard him specifically condemn sedevacantism.

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    « Reply #7 on: October 18, 2015, 12:41:16 PM »
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  • Quote from: TheRealMcCoy
    Our Lady of the Pillar is Feeneyite.  Staunchly so.  Fr Hewko has tried to convert them.  But some of the OLMC laity attend Mass there as well.  I don't know anything other than that.

    There is a Thuc line in Union, KY.


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    Nah,nah Our Lady of Pillar is Feenyite, but it's a good place. The faithful there are pious, decent folk. It is actually quite annoying for some people on here to say in ignorance that they need to be converted. They are good Catholics devoutly keeping the Faith. Fr. Hewko obviously needs some conversion unfortunately...


    I'm not sure if you are referring to me but I did not say they need to be converted.  


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    « Reply #8 on: October 18, 2015, 12:45:50 PM »
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  • Quote from: Skylar
    Nah,nah Our Lady of Pillar is Feenyite, but it's a good place. The faithful there are pious, decent folk. It is actually quite annoying for some people on here to say in ignorance that they need to be converted. They are good Catholics devoutly keeping the Faith. Fr. Hewko obviously needs some conversion unfortunately...


    Beware of Feeneyism. Fr Leonard Feeney was condemned by the Holy Office in 1949 and excommunicated in '52 for denying Baptism of desire and of blood. In doing this he opposes approved authorities (the 'Summa', St Ambrose). His reconciliation with the conciliar church without having to abjure his heresy (the decree was never rescinded) only indicates to me that the Religion of Man will tolerate any species of error but not the True Faith.

    Feeneyism is a particularly pernicious heresy, and Fr Feeney's a particularly sad fall, because it infests Catholics sound on other matters, e.g. an excellent grasp of the Church's doctrine on the Jews, avoiding both any sympathy for the chief enemy of the Church and yet holding out the light of the Faith to the darkened and ruined sons of Israel.
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    « Reply #9 on: October 18, 2015, 01:19:28 PM »
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  • But how, exactly, does red-lighting this chapel ("Feeneyite" though it be) help Catholics to keep the Faith during this Crisis in the Church?

    I fail to see how.

    This chapel passes my minimalist, back-to-basics "Trad Checklist" for evaluating a chapel:

    1. Is the priest properly ordained in the old rite (by a bishop who himself was ordained/consecrated in the old rite)?
    2. Was the priest FORMED in a Traditional seminary, or at least has the priest fully converted to Tradition? Does the priest defend Tradition, and attack Modernism, Vatican II and the Conciliar religion sufficiently to teach/warn his congregation of their dangers?
    3. Does the priest say the pre-Vatican II Tridentine Mass in Latin, and only give/recommend the other Sacraments according to the Pre-Vatican II form as well?

    What, are you going to be more quick to baptize a pagan if you attend this chapel regularly?

    Unless there are OTHER issues with this priest/chapel, besides theoretical "Feeneyism", I won't refrain from recommending this chapel.

    For what it's worth, I'm not a Feeneyite. I believe in Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood, along with St. Thomas Aquinas.
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    « Reply #10 on: October 18, 2015, 01:22:09 PM »
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    So how, exactly, does red-lighting this chapel ("Feeneyite" though it be) help Catholics to keep the Faith during this Crisis in the Church?

    I fail to see how.

    What, are you going to be more quick to baptize a pagan if you attend this chapel regularly?

    Unless there are OTHER issues with this priest/chapel, besides theoretical "Feeneyism", I won't refrain from recommending this chapel.

    For what it's worth, I'm not a Feeneyite. I believe in Baptism of Desire and Baptism of Blood, along with St. Thomas Aquinas.



    Can I recommend that you ask a priest about that one...
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    « Reply #11 on: October 18, 2015, 01:50:03 PM »
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  • I went to Mass at OLOP between 2005-2011 regularly and Fr. Bitzer is awesome! The chapel is awesome and the people were awesome! I never even knew they were / he was a feeneyite - and I are one.

    They pray the rosary before Mass and include praying for the pope as one of their intentions before each rosary so some sede's may condemn OLOP for that, but other than that, get there early or plan to park a long ways off and standing room only if you aren't there at least 10 minutes early.

     
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    « Reply #12 on: October 18, 2015, 02:20:02 PM »
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  • How can people who resist the society go to a feeneyite mass? Both groups hold doctrine that is against that of the Catholic church.

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    « Reply #13 on: October 18, 2015, 02:38:55 PM »
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     I won't refrain from recommending this chapel. ("Feeneyite" though it be)



    If being excommunicated by the Holy Office for denying Catholic Teaching (i.e Baptism of desire and blood) is something minimalist for your radar, I'd strongly recommend you upgrade your radar or to talk to a sound priest before promoting heretical places...






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    « Reply #14 on: October 18, 2015, 02:51:18 PM »
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  • At SSPX Mass today, during the sermon the priest said no one will get to heaven without the sacrament of baptism. He also said there is no other way to have mortal sin forgiven after baptism without the sacrament of confession.

    It's not heresy any more, it's dogma fyi.

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