Bishop Williamson came to Our Lady of the Pillar and did Confirmations there about two years ago.  He praised Fr. Bitzer and said his church was "very Catholic."

Here's a sensible man.

@Ladislau you wrote: "And Archbishop Lefebvre was excommunicated, his bishops excommunicated, his Society suppressed and condemned as schismatic."

Do not compare Fr. Leonard Feeney[/u] with Lefebvre but study the truth! Archibishop Lefebvre had never renounced a dogmatic truth of the Church.

So if the Vatican was wrong to excommunicate Lefebvre, then why couldn't it have been wrong in excommunicating Feeney?  You obviously miss the point.  Your criterion is simply that you agree with the one but disagree with the other.  So your appeal to "authority" is utterly disingenuous and rooted in dishonesty and bad will when it comes to this particular issue.  And, as I pointed out, your copy-paste job is heretical from the outset.  Baptism of Water, aka the Sacrament of Baptism, is absolutely necessary for salvation, and your statement that people can be saved without the Sacrament is heretical, denying the teaching of Trent.

@Ladislau
His teaching was then condemned by the Holy Office in 1949, and he himself was excommunicated in 1953. It should be sufficient to recall that this happened under the pontificate of the saintly Pope Pius XII, and that the letter of the Holy Office was signed by Cardinal Ottaviani, who was not a liberal either.

1. Lefevbre was never excommunicated because of renouncing the true doctrine!
2. and he was not excommunicated by a saintly Pope!

Nor was Feeney.  Again, you have the blinders of bad will impeding your sound judgment.  Feeney was excommunicated for failing to heed a summons to Rome.

So the Magisterial authority now depends on how "saintly" a particular pope happens to be, eh?

You get hereticaler and hereticaler with every post.

We defend the Faith from every angle of attack, and that includes the denial of Baptism of Desire and Blood !

Every heresy is a grave threat to the Church.  This modern Americanist heresy of Feeneyism is just as dangerous as other heresies.  They all attack the Catholic Faith.

Maybe someday the people of the Feeneyite Movement will come to realize this fact, and make amends for all the damage they are doing to the Church.

The discussion has become about feeneyism which is usually isolated in its own subforum. I am in the middle of this debate. I believe in BOD and BOB but only for those who believe in the true faith and believe in the trinity and the incarnation. I do not believe people in false religions can be saved (as many many traditionalists believe). So I take flak from both sides because I am in the middle (though I must admit that I get more flak from the anti-feeneyites).

As you know, though, Matto, I (and most Feeneyites -- with the exception of the radical Dimondites) have no serious problem with your position.  I cannot find fault with anyone who follows the opinion of St. Thomas on this issue.  I disagree with the St. Thomas opinion but do not consider it non-Catholic.  I follow the theology of the later, anti-Pelagian St. Augustine myself.  As long as someone upholds the absolute necessity of the SACRAMENT of Baptism for salvation, doesn't continue to disparage this Holy Sacrament, essentially considering it optional, and believes in explicit faith in the Holy Trinity and Incarnation as a minimum for salvation, I respect your opinion on BoD.  What irritates me to no end is when people (such as a few on CI) disparage and blaspheme the Sacrament of Baptism, believe in Pelagian subjectivist salvation, and deny the dogmatic teaching of Trent that the Sacrament of Baptism is necessary for salvation.  If you believe in BoD, you MUST state that people who are saved this way receive Baptism in voto rather than that they are saved "without" the Sacrament.  That's why I get so deeply irritated with most of those who are hostile to Feeneyism.  Most of them heretically deny the teaching of Trent regarding the necessity of the Sacrament for salvation, and very few of them are not also Pelagians.  AND, ironically, their ecclesiology is absolutely in line with Vatican II ecclesiology; they have absolutely NO BUSINESS whatsoever rejecting even the smallest iota in Vatican II.
 

We defend the Faith from every angle of attack, and that includes the denial of Baptism of Desire and Blood !

Every heresy is a grave threat to the Church.  This modern Americanist heresy of Feeneyism is just as dangerous as other heresies.  They all attack the Catholic Faith.

Maybe someday the people of the Feeneyite Movement will come to realize this fact, and make amends for all the damage they are doing to the Church.

Coming from a heretic like yourself, this means very little.

Ecclesiae has given us a long list of arguments in favor of Baptism of Desire.  We would assume, according to his arguments, that Fr. Feeney is in hell; after all, BOD runs contrary to the fathers and doctors, and is therefore a heresy in his estimation.  I am a Catholic who likes to gamble.  I will bet my salvation that Fr. Feeney is in heaven.  Any takers?

Father Feeney will be canonized some day.