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Offline Stubborn

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« Reply #105 on: October 22, 2015, 11:26:20 AM »
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  • To all who say to avoid Fr. Bitzer's Mass, here is one of the sermons from Fr. Gavin Bitzer. Listen to the priest you say is a heretic, if you can.


    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/RMUPBFeI5Hc[/youtube]

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    You must know that when you say ‘Hail’ Mary, she immediately greets you! Don’t think that she is one of those rude women of whom there are so many—on the contrary, she is utterly courteous and pleasant. If you greet her, she will answer you right away and converse with you! -St. Bernardine of Siena

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    « Reply #106 on: October 22, 2015, 11:41:52 AM »
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  • how does every discussion about BoD and BoB descend into such chaos?

    these things are not positive declarations from the church, they occur  but to my knowledge they are not defined.

    pretty sure you cant Quote Cantate  as infallible when the definition of infallibility of the Pope did not occur yet

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    21 But if the wicked do penance for all his sins which he hath committed, and keep all my commandments, and do judgment, and justice, living he shall live, and shall not die.

    22 I will not remember all his iniquities that he hath done: in his justice which he hath wrought, he shall live.

    23 Is it my will that a sinner should die, saith the Lord God, and not that he should be converted from his ways, and live?







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    Offline Stubborn

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    « Reply #107 on: October 22, 2015, 06:11:44 PM »
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  • Quote from: Stubborn
    To all who say to avoid Fr. Bitzer's Mass, here is one of the sermons from Fr. Gavin Bitzer. Listen to the priest you say is a heretic, if you can.


    [youtube]https://www.youtube.com/embed/RMUPBFeI5Hc[/youtube]

    In case it doesn't embed properly, here is the link:




    I just listened to this again for I think the fourth or fifth time in a few years and I think that Fr. Bitzer is as excellent a priest as this sermon demonstrates - and in the interest of righteousness, deserves a public apology from those in this thread who know absolutely nothing about him at all, yet falsely accused him of being a heretic, holder of some non-existent heresy - only for the sake of keeping hungry sheep from being fed by him. That is scandal and those who promoted it in this thread should be ashamed.  
    You must know that when you say ‘Hail’ Mary, she immediately greets you! Don’t think that she is one of those rude women of whom there are so many—on the contrary, she is utterly courteous and pleasant. If you greet her, she will answer you right away and converse with you! -St. Bernardine of Siena

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    « Reply #108 on: October 22, 2015, 06:19:07 PM »
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    I just listened to this again for I think the fourth or fifth time in a few years and I think that Fr. Bitzer is as excellent a priest as this sermon demonstrates - and in the interest of righteousness, deserves a public apology from those in this thread who know absolutely nothing about him at all, yet falsely accused him of being a heretic, holder of some non-existent heresy - only for the sake of keeping hungry sheep from being fed by him. That is scandal and those who promoted it in this thread should be ashamed.  


    Maybe this question has been addressed already, but let me ask it again.  Since Fr. Bitzer's chapel is very close to Boston, have the priests in Boston, KY ever brought up the person and ministry of Fr. Bitzer in a sermon, in a conference setting or in conversation.  I ask this because    Fr. Pfeiffer has never been shy about discussing the credentials of other priests with whom he takes exception.

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    « Reply #109 on: October 22, 2015, 06:56:09 PM »
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    Maybe this question has been addressed already, but let me ask it again.  Since Fr. Bitzer's chapel is very close to Boston, have the priests in Boston, KY ever brought up the person and ministry of Fr. Bitzer in a sermon, in a conference setting or in conversation.  I ask this because    Fr. Pfeiffer has never been shy about discussing the credentials of other priests with whom he takes exception.


    Not that I am aware of.



    Fr. Bitzer is the one standing behind Fr. Pfeiffer's right shoulder.
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    « Reply #110 on: October 22, 2015, 07:20:25 PM »
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    Fr. Bitzer is the one standing behind Fr. Pfeiffer's right shoulder.


    That is one misleading photo --

    To those unfamiliar with the Resistance, it might seems like the Boston, KY operation

    A) is synonymous with the Resistance
    B) is supported by Bp. Williamson
    C) has 10 priests and 1 bishop

    None of which is true, of course.

    The reality, on the contrary, is that the Boston KY group:

    A) is actually a small Mass center with a half-dozen far-flung mission chapels, served on an erratic basis by (2) priests total
    B) rejects Bishop Williamson and Bishop Faure, and does not have the blessing of either.
    C) Consists of exactly 2 priests now. Quite insignificant, even for a group as small as the Resistance.

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    « Reply #111 on: October 22, 2015, 07:42:35 PM »
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  • The picture was taken in 2012.  Things have certainly changed since then.

    One of the reasons of the photo was to put a face with the name.  

    There's a lot of politics and jockying for position going around, and its important to note that Fr. Bitzer doesn't involve himself with those types of things.  Like I said previously, he simply does his job.  And he does it well.
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    « Reply #112 on: October 22, 2015, 07:42:36 PM »
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  • Matthew:  
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    That is one misleading photo --


    I would have to agree.  That doesn't mean that ihsv had necessariliy any ulterior motives in publishing it.  However, the photo in no way represents the "resistance" situation today, nor do I think it ever did in the past.  Boston, KY today is composed basically of two priests, a lay director of operations and, perhaps, a couple of seminarians, if even that.


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    « Reply #113 on: October 22, 2015, 08:20:40 PM »
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  • This is a fairly recent photo, possibly misleading only to those not up-to-date with the situation in Boston and with the Resistance.  These were many of the priests (and bishop) who were concerned over the SSPX, or had left/been put out of it.  At this point they were meeting after Bishop Williamson had been expelled.      

    If I am not mistaken, it was even previous to this that a few months after his famous "Pentecost sermon," Fr. Pfeiffer had arranged for a big get together of families to the Boston, KY area, in what seemed to be an effort to begin "a little St. Marys" around there.  Bishop Williamson addressed those, mostly lay people, who attended that "conference."


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    « Reply #114 on: October 22, 2015, 08:40:06 PM »
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  • My posts to this thread aren't showing up.   :scared2:

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    « Reply #115 on: October 22, 2015, 08:41:18 PM »
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  • Quote from: hollingsworth
    Matthew:  
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    That is one misleading photo --


    I would have to agree.  That doesn't mean that ihsv had necessariliy any ulterior motives in publishing it.  However, the photo in no way represents the "resistance" situation today, nor do I think it ever did in the past.  Boston, KY today is composed basically of two priests, a lay director of operations and, perhaps, a couple of seminarians, if even that.


    And a female choir director, several lay residents who live there.  More laity than clerics.  Kinda weird for a religious institution.  Progressive.


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    « Reply #116 on: October 22, 2015, 09:47:40 PM »
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  • (I think) That photo was taken when Bishop Williamson came to Ky to give confirmations.  (But he did come to Ky twice in the span of a year, so maybe this was BEFORE confirmations)  All the local priests, friends, etc who knew + Williamson were casually invited to Boston for a small get together.  

    I think +Williamson was the "uniting" factor here, not the "resistance" agenda, at least for Fr Bitzer.  The Louisville chapel has been a "resistance"/independent chapel since Fr Wathen in the 70s, so they've been "ahead of the curve", in a manner of speaking, for a while.

     

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