Author Topic: Incredible Statement from Archbishop Vigano (Read 26171 times)

Ladislaus · « **Reply #140 on:** June 15, 2020, 11:51:12 AM »

Quote from: Struthio on June 15, 2020, 11:46:55 AM

Your comment shows that you either didn't understand the quote I have posted, or you didn't read it at all. It starts with

and it ends with

I suggest that you go back to my post, read it again, think about it, and then post a new comment.

I suggest that you go back and reflect on the fact that this was an act of Church authority and not your private judgment.

Struthio · « **Reply #141 on:** June 15, 2020, 12:05:00 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on June 15, 2020, 11:51:12 AM

I suggest that you go back and reflect on the fact that this was an act of Church authority and not your private judgment.

Can I take this your comment as a confirmation that you finally have understood what "manifest heretic" means? Did you understand that the Church judges manifest heretics as heretics, pure and simple, even if they objectively, in the eyes of God, may not be heretics, but just erring?

Let me assure you, that I am well aware that I own no apostolic mandate, and that I am able to distinguish between the judgment of (true or false) Church authorities and my own judgment.

Are you aware, that all Catholics use their own judgment to decide whether they accept V2 or not, whether Bergoglio is a Pope or not, whether they resist an apparent authority or not, etc. pp.? You don't seem to, coming up with the tedious "private judgment" drivel.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #142 on:** June 15, 2020, 12:14:35 PM »

Quote from: Struthio on June 15, 2020, 12:05:00 PM

Can I take this your comment as a confirmation that you finally have understood what "manifest heretic" means?

I've always understood the term, but you've made it clear that you have no clue, and then insist on condemning people as heretics despite your crass ignorance of core theological terms. You have no concept whatsoever regarding the distinction between formal and material error. You falsely equate manifest error with material error. This despite the fact that, in the case of Vigano, you can't even produce a single heresy that he holds but condemn him as a heretic anyway.

Ladislaus · « **Reply #143 on:** June 15, 2020, 12:17:29 PM »

Quote from: Struthio on June 15, 2020, 12:05:00 PM

Are you aware, that all Catholics use their own judgment to decide whether they accept V2 or not, whether Bergoglio is a Pope or not, whether they resist an apparent authority or not, etc. pp.? You don't seem to, coming up with the tedious "private judgment" drivel.

Judgments here are being made about material/objective error. Someone can hold to material/objective error without formally adhering to error, and your failure to understand this is the root cause of your schismatic bumbling.

Struthio · « **Reply #144 on:** June 15, 2020, 12:25:03 PM »

Quote from: Ladislaus on June 15, 2020, 12:14:35 PM

I've always understood the term, but you've made it clear that you have no clue, and then insist on condemning people as heretics despite your crass ignorance of core theological terms. You have no concept whatsoever regarding the distinction between formal and material error. You falsely equate manifest error with material error. This despite the fact that, in the case of Vigano, you can't even produce a single heresy that he holds but condemn him as a heretic anyway.

You're not honest. I have never even used terms like "manifest error" or "material error".

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