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Re: Incredible Statement from Archbishop Vigano
« Reply #35 on: June 11, 2020, 05:53:06 PM »
It's not an Archbishop's job to fix the V2 crisis in the Church.  His job is to explain the problem, preach the truth and try to wake people up.  Only a future pope can fix this mess.  You're expectations are too high and also misplaced. 
Yes. We are orphans wandering in the desert and one good shepherd has given us a big drink of water. Let's enjoy that and see what happens next before the nitpicking.

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Re: Incredible Statement from Archbishop Vigano
« Reply #36 on: June 11, 2020, 06:02:35 PM »
Ok. I will wait for the day he grapples with the problem of a papally approved ecuмenical council stating heresy in an officially promulgated, Magisterial docuмent.

There's no grappling needed, since the proposition is heretical.


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Re: Incredible Statement from Archbishop Vigano
« Reply #37 on: June 11, 2020, 06:05:02 PM »
It's not an Archbishop's job to fix the V2 crisis in the Church.  His job is to explain the problem, preach the truth and try to wake people up.  Only a future pope can fix this mess.  You're expectations are too high and also misplaced.  Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.


I never said it was. He's seems to be an honest and intelligent man, and he recognizes the issues, so he'll confront this at some time and I'll You're expectations are too high and also misplaced

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You're expectations are too high and also misplaced

What expectations? That he'll think this through and grapple with this issue (as we all are) and offer his explanation?

That's expecting too much?

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Re: Incredible Statement from Archbishop Vigano
« Reply #38 on: June 11, 2020, 06:18:50 PM »
There's no grappling needed, since the proposition is heretical.
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Alright, I'll ease your sense of the heretical and frame it this way:

An elected pope who therefore appeared to be pope confirmed statements of an ecuмenical council of the bishops of the Catholic Church that is heretical.  

As to heretical part, I'lI grant you dispute that.

But didn't Vigano say there was heretical "theorizing" on religious liberty in DH?

I'll go back and look. I think he said it contradicted Pius IX in Quanta Cuts or something - which wouldn't help you much.

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Re: Incredible Statement from Archbishop Vigano
« Reply #39 on: June 11, 2020, 08:00:46 PM »
But didn't Vigano say there was heretical "theorizing" on religious liberty in DH?

He said that the DH notion of Religious Liberty was at odds with Scripture, Tradition, and the Magisterium.

EVERY error is contrary to Scripture, Tradition, and the Magisterium ... to VARYING DEGREES.  Some directly contradict the Deposit and defined dogma, others contradict it based on one more more logical degrees of separation.  And it's these logical degrees of separation that determine the theological note of the error (and the corresponding truth).  Dogmatic sedevacantists don't take heed of these notes of error, and it's one of the root causes of their dogmatism.  One could be guilty of very grave error, commit mortal sin against the faith, but the bar for heresy is quite high, and it is only for heresy properly speaking that people forfeit their membership in the Church.  So, for instance, John Daly can argue that RL contradicts Tradition and the Deposit and is therefore objectively heretical, and he could very well be right (and I don't dispute that he is), but the logic used to arrive at that conclusion prevents his conclusion from being anything more than a personal opinion which cannot bind the consciences and the faith of others de fide.