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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Incredible Statement from Archbishop Vigano
« Reply #30 on: June 11, 2020, 01:45:18 PM »
He used the word “theorized” to distinguish from doctrine.  He was saying that V2’s non-doctrinal theories were anti Tradition and anti previously defined doctrine. He obviously believes, as many theologians have said (both pre and post V2), that not everything from an ecuмenical council is “doctrine” or “infallible”.
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Offline 2Vermont

Re: Incredible Statement from Archbishop Vigano
« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2020, 02:21:56 PM »
Quote from: SeanJohnson on June 11, 2020, 01:38:07 PM
Interestingly, I just realized that Vigano was ordained in March, 1968 (ie., Three months BEFORE Paul VI promulgated his Apostolic Constitution changing the forms of priestly ordination or episcopal consecration), so all other things being equal, there is NO DOUBT regarding the validity of his orders (nor of the orders of the bishop who ordained him).

I had erroneously presumed otherwise.
He is certainly a priest, but not bishop.
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Offline DecemRationis

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Re: Incredible Statement from Archbishop Vigano
« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2020, 03:42:36 PM »
Quote from: Pax Vobis on June 11, 2020, 01:45:18 PM
He used the word “theorized” to distinguish from doctrine.  He was saying that V2’s non-doctrinal theories were anti Tradition and anti previously defined doctrine. He obviously believes, as many theologians have said (both pre and post V2), that not everything from an ecuмenical council is “doctrine” or “infallible”.
Ok. I will wait for the day he grapples with the problem of a papally approved ecuмenical council stating heresy in an officially promulgated, Magisterial docuмent. 

But excuse me, Pax, your assertion that "not everything from an ecuмenical council is 'doctrine' or 'infallible' " doesn't even come close to addressing the problem. 

If the Archbishop explains the "problem" that way, I'd be disappointed, and shocked that he did so. 
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Offline Pax Vobis

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Re: Incredible Statement from Archbishop Vigano
« Reply #33 on: June 11, 2020, 05:45:05 PM »

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Ok. I will wait for the day he grapples with the problem of a papally approved ecuмenical council stating heresy in an officially promulgated, Magisterial docuмent. 
It's not an Archbishop's job to fix the V2 crisis in the Church.  His job is to explain the problem, preach the truth and try to wake people up.  Only a future pope can fix this mess.  You're expectations are too high and also misplaced.  Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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Offline Cera

Re: Incredible Statement from Archbishop Vigano
« Reply #34 on: June 11, 2020, 05:51:23 PM »
Quote from: DecemRationis on June 11, 2020, 03:42:36 PM
Ok. I will wait for the day he grapples with the problem of a papally approved ecuмenical council stating heresy in an officially promulgated, Magisterial docuмent.
 
The Holy Ghost will not permit that.
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