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Re: Incredible Statement from Archbishop Vigano
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2020, 09:29:20 AM »
So here we have a rejection of Religious Liberty as "contradicting the testimony of Sacred Scripture and the voice of Tradition, as well as the Catholic Magisterium" ... that Struthio claimed didn't exist, thus rendering him a heretic.

I didn't claim such a thing. I asked: "Did Viganò explicitly condemn Dignitatis humanae?" Then I saw what Angelus had posted, and I added a corresponding note before my post.


I called him a heretic for being a leader of a modernist false church. He himself now confirms what I said about his heretical sect, and consequently about him.

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Re: Incredible Statement from Archbishop Vigano
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2020, 09:30:53 AM »
I didn't claim such a thing. I asked: "Did Viganò explicitly condemn Dignitatis humanae?" Then I saw what Angelus had posted, and I added a correspondig note before my post.


I called him a heretic for being a leader of a modernist false church. He himself now confirms what I said about his heretical sect, and consequently about him.

When I asked you to prove that he's a heretic, you responded with that question.  Your charge of heresy is utterly absurd.


Re: Incredible Statement from Archbishop Vigano
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2020, 09:32:52 AM »
The "Second Vatican Council theorized"? I'd say, the robber council abolished the First Commandment:

The robber council mocks and accuses God and his Church: God, his First Commandment, and his Church have ridden roughshod over "the very dignity of the human person". The robber council denies dogma, infallibly declared by a Pope, using words which in an examplary way express infallibilty as defined by the Vatican Council.

Do you realize all Resistance and sedes (and in former days, the SSPX) are (or logically should be) in complete agreement with Vigano’s letter in the OP?

So far as I can tell, the only thing he has yet to do in order for all to recognize he has arrived at Tradition, is to return to exclusive use of the old sacraments.

The transformation of Vigano in the last month is very much what the conversion of Rome should look like.

This is what the SSPX should have been looking for among the Roman clergy, Curia, and pope:

An official recognition of the faulty principles of V2, and a rejection of them, and their encouragement and exhortation to the Church at large to reject them.

If that would happen, there would be no need for Resistance, and such priests would be the most valued in the Church.

Even sedes could happily be reconciled and supportive of such a movement.

But so far, Vigano stands alone.

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Re: Incredible Statement from Archbishop Vigano
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2020, 09:32:58 AM »
I didn't claim such a thing. I asked: "Did Viganò explicitly condemn Dignitatis humanae?" Then I saw what Angelus had posted, and I added a corresponding note before my post.


I called him a heretic for being a leader of a modernist false church. He himself now confirms what I said about his heretical sect, and consequently about him.

Holding the position that the Conciliar authorities are legitimate and remaining in material unity with them as a result has absolutely nothing to do with "heresy".  That makes him little different than an R&R Traditional Catholic.  He admits in this letter than he went along due to a misguided sense of obedience, believing that the emphasis should be on applying the hermeneutic of continuity to Vatican II.  He is now realizing here that it has been an exercise in futility because there's no getting away from the harmful erroneous teaching of Vatican II.  He is clearly waking up.

Re: Incredible Statement from Archbishop Vigano
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2020, 09:34:37 AM »
When I asked you to prove that he's a heretic, you responded with that question.  Your charge of heresy is utterly absurd.


Members and leaders of heretical sects are assumed to be heretics.

Quote from: St Robert Bellarmine
men are not bound, or able to read hearts; but when they see that someone is a heretic by his external works, they judge him to be a heretic pure and simple [simpliciter]


Additionally I asked whether he recanted.