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Online Ladislaus

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Re: Incredible Statement from Archbishop Vigano
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2020, 11:36:15 AM »
Quote from: DecemRationis on June 11, 2020, 11:29:44 AM
If it wasn't, then, again, we have the issue of an ecuмenical council approved by a pope issuing non-Catholic teaching.

You're begging the question that it was approved by a Pope.
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Re: Incredible Statement from Archbishop Vigano
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2020, 11:39:53 AM »
Quote from: Ladislaus on June 11, 2020, 11:26:51 AM
While DH is grave error, it is not heresy.
I gave a link to the Daly article in this thread. I agree with him, and disagree with you. 

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Secondly, it is not possible for an Ecuмenical Council of the Catholic Church which has papal approbation to teach grave error to the Church, but that's a separate discussion.
Yet if I'm right, it did. 

I believe that's a prophesied anomaly to what is otherwise a truth which you express - an (if not the) abomination of desolation. 

I'll leave it to you to try to explain otherwise how an ecuмenical council of the Catholic Church taught grave error, apparently if it requires a reading that betrays the language of the texts at issue in my opinion. 
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Online Ladislaus

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Re: Incredible Statement from Archbishop Vigano
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2020, 11:41:32 AM »
Quote from: DecemRationis on June 11, 2020, 11:39:53 AM
Yet if I'm right, it did.

Well, yeah, but whether you're right is what's under discussion.  "I'm right if I'm right" is a tautology.
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Re: Incredible Statement from Archbishop Vigano
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2020, 11:42:43 AM »
Quote from: DecemRationis on June 11, 2020, 11:39:53 AM
I gave a link to the Daly article in this thread. I agree with him, and disagree with you.
Yet if I'm right, it did.

I believe that's a prophesied anomaly to what is otherwise a truth which you express - an (if not the) abomination of desolation.

I'll leave it to you to try to explain otherwise how an ecuмenical council of the Catholic Church taught grave error, apparently if it requires a reading that betrays the language of the texts at issue in my opinion.
Well, you see, this is the sedevacantist position in a nutshell.  An ecuмenical council in union with a true pope can't teach grave error.  Ergo....
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Re: Incredible Statement from Archbishop Vigano
« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2020, 11:50:34 AM »
Quote from: 2Vermont on June 11, 2020, 11:42:43 AM
Well, you see, this is the sedevacantist position in a nutshell.  An ecuмenical council in union with a true pope can't teach grave error.  Ergo....
I know that. 

Then you have to explain how what happened happened - something appearing to be an ecuмenical council approving something that's heresy under a man that appears to be pope.

I see that "appearance" - never before, and never again - as a prophesied anomaly, a one shot eclipse of the Church of Christ. 

I don't think it gets us very far, in understanding what this is all about, in simply saying, he wasn't a true pope, and let's go on from there to . . . 

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