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Re: Incredible Statement from Archbishop Vigano
« Reply #160 on: June 15, 2020, 08:15:09 PM »
Illogical statement =  "A manifest heretic may or may not be a heretic."

No, that's not illogical, Pax. It may appear to be illogical to someone who is not aware of the fact that terminology rarely is perfect or exact. If you haven't had good teachers, you can learn that by attentively examining the use of terminology.

St. Thomas Aquinas (II-II:11:1) defines heresy: "a species of infidelity in men who, having professed the faith of Christ, corrupt its dogmas".

So, following Thomas, heresy is a species of infidelity.

Now, a public or a manifest heretic may be, what van Noort* and Salaverri* call a material heretic or what they call a formal heretic. A material heretic ignorantly and innocently utters heresy. Such a person can't be said to be infidel. Consequently, the material heretic is not a heretic.

Let me repeat that: A material heretic is not a heretic.

As illogical as this may sound to the naive reader, it isn't. What may seem illogical, simply is an artifact of the use of a terminology which is less than perfect.


Conclusion:
- A material heretic is not a heretic.
- A manifest heretic may or may not be a heretic.
- If you're not aware of the side effects of terminology, you can't understand theology or whatever area of expertise


*) see quotes above kindly posted by DecemRationis, thank you, Decem

Re: Incredible Statement from Archbishop Vigano
« Reply #161 on: June 15, 2020, 08:36:43 PM »
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Re: Viganò naturalist, Americanist?
« Reply #162 on: June 15, 2020, 08:43:23 PM »

Do you deny that "a fervent Pro-Lifer together" or "the most ardent abortionist" can lack the supernatural virtue of faith?

I shall be sincerely happy to answer your question as soon as I master Our Heavenly Father's trick of seeing and judging the heart beneath fleshly appearances. In the meantime, I invite you to join me in channeling the once-famous singing cowboy Roy Rogers as he warbles "don't fence me in."

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Re: Incredible Statement from Archbishop Vigano
« Reply #163 on: June 15, 2020, 08:53:26 PM »
Struthio, for the 18th time, I’ll repeat my objection.  You use the term “manifest heretic” in a different way than does +Bellarmine.  Admit that, and you can post all you want about Van Nort or St Thomas.  Just know that both of their definitions of heresy are also different from +Bellarmine’s and yours.  So you’re trying to piece together 4 different definitions of the word “heresy” and that’s why your conclusions make as much sense as a Protestant bible study group. 

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Re: Incredible Statement from Archbishop Vigano
« Reply #164 on: June 15, 2020, 09:28:06 PM »

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 Fr Jenkins also brings up his concerns over the Trump letter due to the Naturalism contained in it. 
And in the follow-up video, Fr Jenkins said that the NEWEST letter that +Vigano wrote, condemning V2, was an answer to almost all his objections to the Trump letter.  Conclusion:  the Trump letter was written for a Christian/Protestant/atheist audience.  The V2 letter was written for a catholic audience.