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INCREDIBLE! THE NEO-SSPX: FROM PERSECUTION TO IDENTITY THEFT
« on: September 30, 2013, 11:32:31 AM »
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  • INCREDIBLE! THE NEO-SSPX: FROM PERSECUTION TO IDENTITY THEFT

    Original article in French: “Peut-on se fier à M. l’abbé Waillez ? - Can we trust Fr. Waillez ?»: http://www.lasapiniere.info/peut-on-se-fier-a-m-labbe-waillez

    [NOTE TO THE ENGLISH SPEAKING READERS: In 2012 three SSPX priests (Frs. Pinaud, Rioult and Salenave) opened anonymously the website “Anti-Modernisme” in order to alert priests and faithful about the sell-out Bp. Fellay was preparing with Modernist Rome. The neo-SSPX General House was very angry about it, so they decided to employ ANY MEANS in order to discover the identity of these courageous priests. They requested the “services” of the District Superior of Belgium, Fr. Wailliez, who is very skilled with computers. Thus, Fr. Wailliez, with the help of Fr. Thouvenot, the Secretary General of the neo-SSPX, STOLE THE IDENTITY of Fr. Rioult’s email account, which is not only a mortal sin, but also a crime punishable by the French Penal Code with one year imprisonment and a fine of 15,000 euros!]

    Fr. Benoît Wailliez was appointed superior of the District of Belgium by Bishop Fellay. Thus Fr. Wailliez is a major superior of the Society of Saint Pius X. Therefore, he is member of the General Chapter, he can elect the Superior General and even can be elected to this post. The question that arises here is whether we can trust him doctrinally and humanly speaking.
    Doctrinally speaking. Fr. Wailliez became known in 2012 by posting the first video on Gloria.tv to prepare the public opinion for an agreement with the Conciliar Rome (http://fr.gloria.tv/ ? media = 289215). It was his sermon (May 13, 2012) praising Bishop Fellay, his “graces of state,” and Benedict XVI (who "beatified" John Paul II and convoked Assisi III). But this is only the public face of Fr. Wailliez, which is his side of Dr. Jekyll. For the District Superior of Belgium also has a secret dark side, a side of Mr. Hyde.
    Humanly speaking. Father Waillez, if one believes Fr. Vincent Quilton, believes that anything is permitted to defend his (bad) cause and to silence his confreres who make obstacle to the submission of the Society to the conciliar authorities.  Will this “zeal” earn him protection and gratitude for ever from Bishop Fellay? The future will tell us. But it is quite surprising to discover in him mafia behaviors, though one expects to find civilized manners.

    Let’s leave now Fr. Vincent Quilton, professor of Moral Theology and Canon Law at the seminary of Ecône, to unveil for us the hidden actions of Fr. Waillez.

    [Exposition of Fr Quilton, assistant at the SSPX trial of Frs. Salenave , Pinaud and Rioult]
    "Narration of the facts happened in the case of the traps set by email to Fathers Pinaud and Rioult:
    During the publication by mail and on the Internet of several anonymous letters addressed "To our fellow priests," several priests outraged by this subversive manner and the more and more daring aspect of these actions, sought to identify the culprits. Fr. Wailliez had serious suspicions about some confreres: Fathers Salenave, Pinaud and Rioult.
    Father Wailliez created a fictitious address (nicolas_pinaud@yahoo.fr ) pretending to be Fr. Pinaud and used it between 3 and 5 times to trap his confreres and lay people involved in the rebellion. Father Rioult was the first target ... and the first one to bite the bait and to come into the open. Bp. Williamson was also trapped and sent to him, by mistake and in exclusivity, a docuмent which he wanted to publish as a “bomb.” The Web site “La Sapinière” sent its site access codes (but the General House [GH] decided not to use them).
    At the same time, Father Wailliez did a search on the web about Father Rioult. He found a web page (http://pastebin.com/CVYTj2nH) which gave the address of Professor Faurisson, which contained the email addresses of Fr. Rioult (charles.corday@yahoo.fr), identifying himself by his real name.
    By going to the Yahoo! page, Father Wailliez followed the procedure for a forgotten password. And then, two questions were asked: 1) the name of Fr. Rioult’s father, which a short research on the White Pages gave him the information without difficulty. 2) And then, it was asked “the name of his preferred professor.” After some hesitation, and assisted by Fr. Thouvenot [the Secretary General], the word “Faurisson” allowed him easily to access into the mailbox, much like the keys of a safe, poorly hidden to find them around. (Yahoo! demanded to create a new password immediately).
    Having access and total control of the mailbox, Fr. Wailliez acceded to all docuмents received and sent by Fr. Rioult still present on the server. He then left to the General House the use of all the material available.
    The description of all the facts, as presented by Frs. Rioult and Pinaud  in http://www.lasapiniere.info/nouvelles-du-front-contre-mauvaise-fortune-bon-coeur and http://www.lasapiniere .info/est-ce-a-labbe-pinaud-de-feter-ses-20-ans-de-sacerdoce-en-prison is correct.
    The moral question is raised of course from the beginning of these actions, and has not been elucidated in the name of the false principle "the end justifies the means" ... which are used by the “rebels”! There is no absolute right to privacy, in an ecclesiastical institution. (sic!) From the moment a serious and grave reason is there, any superior can open the mail of anyone, visit the rooms, monitor phone calls and control the personal belongings (such as a computer).
    In this case, it should be noted:  1) we were dealing with an obvious damage [of the rebel priests] to the Society and which was on the point of expanding significantly; and 2) only a few seriously suspected priests have suffered from this monitoring, and in a manner proportionate to the offense (it was not looked into private things or related to spiritual direction, etc.). 3) Fr. Wailliez undertook all steps in total agreement with the General House. (sic!)" [End of quote]

    COMMENTS: The arguments of Fr. Quilton, when is trying to justify the immoral behavior of Fr. Walliez and the neo-SSPX General House, are false for several reasons:
    1)   “The end does not justify the means”;
    2)   The supposed “right” of the neo-SSPX superiors to open the private mail of its members is nowhere mentioned in the Statutes of the SSPX;
    3)   If, in any event, a religious superior open the private mail of someone, the former mentions it openly to the latter before or after doing it, which was not here the case; and in any case, Fr. Walliez was not the superior of Fr. Rioult;
    4)   The manner used by Fr. Wailliez and the General House was immoral, because from the beginning a grave lie was used (when they posed as being “Fr. Pinaud”) and especially because they stole the identity of a priest, which is a crime severely punishable by the Law in all civilized countries;
    5)   Consequently, it is immoral for the superiors of the neo-SSPX to use the information they fraudulently obtained from Fr. Rioult’s email account, as they intend to do in the “canonical trial” of Fr. Pinaud (Fr. Rioult refused to be judged by a “kangaroo court,” by an unfair “trial”);
    6)   Finally, the “canonical trial” of the “rebel” priests the neo-SSPX superiors are planning to do is totally illegal, because they do not have any canonical authority, by the fact the SSPX does not exist canonically, as Bp. Fellay himself agrees on it;
    7)   These neo-SSPX methods are the same used in a totalitarian regime, like in Communist countries![/u]


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    « Reply #1 on: September 30, 2013, 12:27:20 PM »
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  • No wonder my email and Facebook account have been hacked into.
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    « Reply #2 on: September 30, 2013, 12:36:30 PM »
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  • Thank you for this.

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    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

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    « Reply #3 on: September 30, 2013, 01:15:35 PM »
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  • Another reason to maintain some level of anonymity on fora....

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    « Reply #4 on: September 30, 2013, 02:06:35 PM »
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  • Just another example of Menzingen employing their commie, "the ends justifies the means" policy.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    « Reply #5 on: September 30, 2013, 02:31:26 PM »
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  •  :detective:
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    « Reply #6 on: September 30, 2013, 03:30:30 PM »
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  •  :drillsergeant: :whistleblower:
    He should be handed over to the civil authorities.  I don't know about France, but if my U.S. employer hired someone to access my private account, and the used it not only against me, but against others through it, ALL of us could have him arrested and charged.
    I do hope he repents of this sin, along with all who knowing,y participated.  
    It should serve as a reminder, however, to remember NOTHING on-line is secret.  If you want to discuss secret matters, best to do it face-to-face.
     St. Francis Xavier threw a Crucifix into the sea, at once calming the waves.  Upon reaching the shore, the Crucifix was returned to him by a crab with a curious cross pattern on its shell.  

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    « Reply #7 on: September 30, 2013, 05:37:53 PM »
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  • When priests fall out with priests, expect to see a lot of blood. The institution of the priesthood is not immune from this. We have all heard of stories of SSPX priests coming to grief at the hands of their superiors throughout the history of the Society, so nothing new here. Very few in authority come with clean hands and any hierarchy comes with a gallery of dirty deeds.

    Menzingen's toady district superiors were the first to promote its defection and were no doubt looking forward to new glamorous roles after the merger with Rome. Its failure was in part blamed on those priests who demurred and the knives were going to be out for them. What we see now is a struggle to hold on to power by those who sold their souls, where Lefebvre's mission is thrown  overboard for a quasi-religious corporate business. Switzerland as a home for  such an enterprise was unwittingly chosen ........  or was it?    


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    « Reply #8 on: September 30, 2013, 06:06:14 PM »
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  • I find this to be one of the more interesting topics of late.  It went out immediately to my email list, along with a few comments.  

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    « Reply #9 on: September 30, 2013, 06:39:30 PM »
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  • In all this, my question would be, where is the real evidence for the accusations made against Fr. Waillez ?

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    « Reply #10 on: September 30, 2013, 07:34:16 PM »
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  • Quote from: Johnnier
    In all this, my question would be, where is the real evidence for the accusations made against Fr. Waillez ?


    Whether or not Fr. Waillez was involved or any other priest for that matter I don't know. The article isn't clear and I don't speak French, but it does appear there was someone on the inside involved. It certainly does make depressing reading.
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    « Reply #11 on: October 01, 2013, 10:16:48 AM »
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    In all this, my question would be, where is the real evidence for the accusations made against Fr. Waillez ?


    All the evidence comes from Fr Vincent Quilton himself.
    He is the "prosecutor" in the trial against the "rebel" priests and he acknowledges that the FACTS are actually TRUE, but he tries in a devious and unconvincing manner to justify them...!

    A publication of ALL the docuмents of the neo-SSPX "trials" against the "rebel" priests will be published in the near future.

    To be continued...

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    « Reply #12 on: October 03, 2013, 03:54:30 PM »
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  • Is this it?

    The Impossible Reconciliation: Docuмents on Operation ѕυιcιdє of Bishop Fellay (2000-2013)

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    « Reply #13 on: October 03, 2013, 11:41:17 PM »
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  • Quote from: ctarozzi
    Quote from: Johnnier
    In all this, my question would be, where is the real evidence for the accusations made against Fr. Waillez ?


    All the evidence comes from Fr Vincent Quilton himself.
    He is the "prosecutor" in the trial against the "rebel" priests and he acknowledges that the FACTS are actually TRUE, but he tries in a devious and unconvincing manner to justify them...!

    A publication of ALL the docuмents of the neo-SSPX "trials" against the "rebel" priests will be published in the near future.

    To be continued...



    Is this anything like the promise to publish that list of things that
    Fr. Morgan was going to post in a week or two, but that was what,
    two or three months ago?  And nothing!  Not a word.  That should
    teach him -- for opening his mouth before asking, "Mother, may I?"



    E.g. Catch 22!




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    « Reply #14 on: October 04, 2013, 09:33:36 PM »
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  • More information about the three priests behind the website "Anti-modernisme", now closed.

    Frs. Pinaud, Rioult et Salenave who denounced Bp Fellay's new doctrinal position and desire to join Modernism Rome have experienced different situations.

    Fr Salenave, under extreme pressure from the superiors of the neo-SSPX, had a nervous breakdown and signed a letter of "apology" for collaborating with "Anti-modernisme". He had a canonical trial by a "tribunal" and was condemned to several months without any apostolate. Menzingen published his letter, which was supposed to remain private, in the internal magazine Cor Unum without asking his consent. He was very displeased of this procedure and later on retracted his letter because obtained under duress. He's in living in a "Limbo," deprived of any important apostolic work.

    Fr Rioult denied any moral wrongdoing in collaborating with "Anti-modernisme" and refused the trial the neo-SSPX superiors were preparing for him. He left the neo-SSPX since and is working very actively with a new website, "La Sapiniere", and touring France supporting the Resistance. There are still many French priests supporting him secretly.

    Fr Pinaud is basically living in an ecclesiastical prison in Austria, in a priory, without any contact with other priests or with the faithful. He was not allowed to celebrate his 20th Anniversary of ordination last June. He accepted to undergo the "trial" Menzingen is preparing for him, with the only purpose of proving guilty his accusers!. The opening of the "trial" has been delayed several times, which proves the embarrassment of the neo-SSPX superiors in justifying their actions against the three priests.

    So, ALL THE FILES in the trials of Frs. Salenave and Pinaud will be published in French very soon.
    The identity theft on Fr. Rioult mentioned above, is only A LITTLE PART of many others things Menzingen is doing against those who resist the "new line" of the neo-SSPX.