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Offline SeanJohnson

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Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
« Reply #105 on: July 09, 2022, 09:14:33 AM »
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  • Please don't generalize all sedes like this just because you have met a few who were obnoxious.  I have know many sede families whose charity and humility left me in deep awe and gratitude for having met them.

    The man I respect most on this forum happens to be a sede (Mithrandylan), whom I know personally.  We disagree, and there has never been harsh words between us.  Why? Because he never feels the need to toss continual accusations of schism, mortal sin, etc.

    But with Lad, you could write a post about chocolate chip cookies, and the first words out of his mouth would be “You see, the problem with RR is the schismatic blah blah blah.”

    In other words, I agree with your post.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #106 on: July 09, 2022, 09:16:45 AM »
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  • I’m accusing Lad, quite gratuitously (for reasons stated earlier), in the hopes that being on the receiving end of unjust accusations will cause him to amend his behavior.

    The post was not directed to the priests/bishop.

    Yes, slandering me as a sodomite was an act of charity.  :laugh1:  Sometimes I think you need psychological help, in addition to spiritual.

    Your sodomy slander was in response to a simple link that I posted to the two priests.  What "behavior" are you talking about, posting a link?

    You are a liar and you are lying now.  You most certainly did NOT make the comment in the hope that I would amend.  You got pissed off by the contents of the post from Fathers Barbara and Schoonbroodt.  You're not going to change until you can be honest with yourself.


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    Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #107 on: July 09, 2022, 09:19:04 AM »
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  • But with Lad, you could write a post about chocolate chip cookies, and the first words out of his mouth would be “You see, the problem with RR is the schismatic blah blah blah.”

    Your R&R position is indeed heretical, and you are in fact a heretic.  And I will call you out on it every time, and will continue to do so.  And I can back it up.  On the other hand, I'm not going to have emotional and psychological breakdowns and call you a sodomite simply because I don't like your posts.

    And with this post you layer yet another LIE on top of all the others.  I do not bring up your R&R position ... until YOU bring it up first.  And every single time you bring it up, I will knock it down.  You are spreading heresy, and that is not to be tolerated.

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    Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #108 on: July 09, 2022, 09:25:17 AM »
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  • Yes, slandering me as a sodomite was an act of charity.  :laugh1:  Sometimes I think you need psychological help, in addition to spiritual.

    Your sodomy slander was in response to a simple link that I posted to the two priests.  What "behavior" are you talking about, posting a link?

    You are a liar and you are lying now.  You most certainly did NOT make the comment in the hope that I would amend.  You got pissed off by the contents of the post from Fathers Barbara and Schoonbroodt.  You're not going to change until you can be honest with yourself.

    Please take your emotional sodomitic ramblings elsewhere 😀👍
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    Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #109 on: July 09, 2022, 09:25:50 AM »
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  • Your R&R position is indeed heretical, and you are in fact a heretic.  And I will call you out on it every time, and will continue to do so.  And I can back it up.  On the other hand, I'm not going to have emotional and psychological breakdowns and call you a sodomite simply because I don't like your posts.

    And with this post you layer yet another LIE on top of all the others.  I do not bring up your R&R position ... until YOU bring it up first.  And every single time you bring it up, I will knock it down.  You are spreading heresy, and that is not to be tolerated.

    Triggered^^^
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    Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #110 on: July 09, 2022, 09:28:55 AM »
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  • Yes, slandering me as a sodomite was an act of charity.  :laugh1:  Sometimes I think you need psychological help, in addition to spiritual.

    Your sodomy slander was in response to a simple link that I posted to the two priests.  What "behavior" are you talking about, posting a link?

    You are a liar and you are lying now.  You most certainly did NOT make the comment in the hope that I would amend.  You got pissed off by the contents of the post from Fathers Barbara and Schoonbroodt.  You're not going to change until you can be honest with yourself.

    ...and with a special charism to read the internal forum, while rebuking others for doing same

    :facepalm:
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    Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #111 on: July 09, 2022, 09:40:31 AM »
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  • I just can't sit here idly by when you basically characterize Holy Mother Church as a harlot.  If you said the same thing about my wife or my mother, I'd bust you in the chops.

    You claim that the Catholic Church has become corrupt in its Magisterium, Public Worship, and also in its canonizations.  You slander the Church in the very same terms used by the Old Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestants ... who all made the identical smears of the Church.  Furthermore, you smear Archbishop Lefebvre by claiming that he thought the same thing, when it's been proven clearly that he did not.  He explicitly articulated that this is not possible, that the Church is guided by the Holy Spirit.  He simply prescinded from making the declaration and deferring to the final judgment of the Church.  I think that's why the Archbishop Lefebvre issue pushes your bottons, as it were, because you have long hidden behind (your false characterization of) Archbishop Lefebvre to justify yourself.

    What touched of this latest round of the battle is your derogatory excoriation of the man you hold to be the Vicar of Christ.  At best, as a Catholic, you're entitled to a disrespectful disagreement with the Holy Father (as you believe him to be).  WHEN, EVER, in the history of the Church has it been considered acceptable for a lay Catholic (or any Catholic) to dismiss the teaching of the Vicar of Christ is such an obnoxious manner?

    At the end of the day, I really don't care what you think, sedevacantist, sedeprivationist, sede-impoundist (Father Chazal), Siri theory, that Montini was blackmailed and not acting freely, or even that Montini was replaced by a double.  In fact, I have much less an issue with the conservative Novus Ordites who try to apply the hermeneutic of continuity in an attempt to reconcile Conciliarism with Catholicism.  I have no issue with the way Archbishop Lefebvre articulated his position (which is NOT the same as yours).  For as much as you deride Bishop Fellay, his attitude toward (what you consider to be) the Holy See is FAR MORE CATHOLIC than yours.  I believe that he's wrong in that I don't think that Bergoglio is the pope, but GIVEN his belief that Bergoglio is the pope, the respect with which he speaks of the Vicar of Christ is nothing short of obligatory for Catholics.

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    Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #112 on: July 09, 2022, 09:43:14 AM »
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  • I just can't sit here idly by when you basically characterize Holy Mother Church as a harlot.  If you said the same thing about my wife or my mother, I'd bust you in the chops.

    You claim that the Catholic Church has become corrupt in its Magisterium, Public Worship, and also in its canonizations.  You slander the Church in the very same terms used by the Old Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestants ... who all made the identical smears of the Church.  Furthermore, you smear Archbishop Lefebvre by claiming that he thought the same thing, when it's been proven clearly that he did not.  He explicitly articulated that this is not possible, that the Church is guided by the Holy Spirit.  He simply prescinded from making the declaration and deferring to the final judgment of the Church.  I think that's why the Archbishop Lefebvre issue pushes your bottons, as it were, because you have long hidden behind (your false characterization of) Archbishop Lefebvre to justify yourself.

    What touched of this latest round of the battle is your derogatory excoriation of the man you hold to be the Vicar of Christ.  At best, as a Catholic, you're entitled to a disrespectful disagreement with the Holy Father (as you believe him to be).  WHEN, EVER, in the history of the Church has it been considered acceptable for a lay Catholic (or any Catholic) to dismiss the teaching of the Vicar of Christ is such an obnoxious manner?

    At the end of the day, I really don't care what you think, sedevacantist, sedeprivationist, sede-impoundist (Father Chazal), Siri theory, that Montini was blackmailed and not acting freely, or even that Montini was replaced by a double.  In fact, I have much less an issue with the conservative Novus Ordites who try to apply the hermeneutic of continuity in an attempt to reconcile Conciliarism with Catholicism.  I have no issue with the way Archbishop Lefebvre articulated his position (which is NOT the same as yours).  For as much as you deride Bishop Fellay, his attitude toward (what you consider to be) the Holy See is FAR MORE CATHOLIC than yours.  I believe that he's wrong in that I don't think that Bergoglio is the pope, but GIVEN his belief that Bergoglio is the pope, the respect with which he speaks of the Vicar of Christ is nothing short of obligatory for Catholics.

    Like I said, triggered^^^
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    Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #113 on: July 09, 2022, 09:49:02 AM »
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  • ...and with a special charism to read the internal forum, while rebuking others for doing same

    :facepalm:

    There's nothing "internal forum" about your lying.  It's been clearly demonstrated, time after time.  Nor, based on this post, do you even understand what internal forum means.  It's perfectly possible to discern things about people's behavior and motivations from the external forum.  It's obvious for all to see that your calling me a "sodomite" was not offered with the hopes of my amendment.  It's obvious from the context.  You got riled up (or "triggered") by the link to Father Barbara.  I do find it fascinating that you CONSTANTLY accuse others of the things YOU are notorious for ... calling them "emotional" and "triggered".  You clearly get "triggered" every time someone posts a quote from Archbishop Lefebvre where he's favorable or even open to sedevacantism.

    So, as I mentioned, discerning your motives based on behavior is not to judge the internal form.  What's internal forum is judging the degree of someone's sin or guilt before God.

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    Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #114 on: July 09, 2022, 09:51:05 AM »
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  • Like I said, triggered^^^
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    Gaslighters — people who try to control others through manipulation — will often accuse you of behaviors that they are engaged in themselves. This is a classic manipulation tactic.

    But, yes, indeed, heresy "triggers" me ... as it should every Catholic.  And what makes this even worse here is that you are trying to paint heresy as Catholic.  That's why the Conciliar Church is in fact much more pernicious than the open heresies where the heretics admits that they're breaking with and rejecting Church teaching.

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    Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #115 on: July 09, 2022, 09:53:01 AM »
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  • The man I respect most on this forum happens to be a sede (Mithrandylan), whom I know personally.  We disagree, and there has never been harsh words between us.  Why? Because he never feels the need to toss continual accusations of schism, mortal sin, etc.

    But with Lad, you could write a post about chocolate chip cookies, and the first words out of his mouth would be “You see, the problem with RR is the schismatic blah blah blah.”

    In other words, I agree with your post.
    Yes, Mithrandylan is a good example of that.   Thank you.  😇

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    « Reply #116 on: July 09, 2022, 11:44:53 AM »
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  • Excellent perspective.  Thank you.  All the more important when we consider that the few that are here are largely on the same page, so to speak, and our adversarii are incredibly numerous.
    Indeed.  Name calling is just uncalled for.  

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    « Reply #117 on: July 09, 2022, 11:53:14 AM »
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  • There's nothing "internal forum" about your lying.  It's been clearly demonstrated, time after time.  Nor, based on this post, do you even understand what internal forum means.  It's perfectly possible to discern things about people's behavior and motivations from the external forum.  It's obvious for all to see that your calling me a "sodomite" was not offered with the hopes of my amendment.  It's obvious from the context.  You got riled up (or "triggered") by the link to Father Barbara.  I do find it fascinating that you CONSTANTLY accuse others of the things YOU are notorious for ... calling them "emotional" and "triggered".  You clearly get "triggered" every time someone posts a quote from Archbishop Lefebvre where he's favorable or even open to sedevacantism.

    So, as I mentioned, discerning your motives based on behavior is not to judge the internal form.  What's internal forum is judging the degree of someone's sin or guilt before God.
    I have noticed this, too.

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    Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #118 on: July 09, 2022, 11:54:39 AM »
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  • Its not necessary to impute bad disposition to your interlocutor, 
    Hypocrite.

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    Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #119 on: July 09, 2022, 12:57:14 PM »
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  • At the end of the day, I really don't care what you think, sedevacantist, sedeprivationist, sede-impoundist (Father Chazal), Siri theory, that Montini was blackmailed and not acting freely, or even that Montini was replaced by a double.  In fact, I have much less an issue with the conservative Novus Ordites who try to apply the hermeneutic of continuity in an attempt to reconcile Conciliarism with Catholicism.  I have no issue with the way Archbishop Lefebvre articulated his position (which is NOT the same as yours).  For as much as you deride Bishop Fellay, his attitude toward (what you consider to be) the Holy See is FAR MORE CATHOLIC than yours.  I believe that he's wrong in that I don't think that Bergoglio is the pope, but GIVEN his belief that Bergoglio is the pope, the respect with which he speaks of the Vicar of Christ is nothing short of obligatory for Catholics.

    You do not have the authority to bind others to your opinion - no matter how much you believe your opinion to be correct. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29