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Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2022, 11:59:18 AM »
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  • Silence can be loud.
    Most certainly!
    And under-rated!


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    Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #16 on: July 02, 2022, 09:39:32 PM »
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  • No question, the SSPX Bishops are trying their best to gain the Novus Ordo Cults' approval and thus the silence. The Building of monuments is paramount for the Neo-SSPX.


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    Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #17 on: July 04, 2022, 05:20:57 PM »
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  • After Francis completes his Campaign of destruction of the TLM and tradition then he’ll announce privileges for his pet… the SSPX.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #18 on: July 04, 2022, 05:32:17 PM »
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  • The need to consecrate additional Bishops grows daily.

    And consecrations are almost certain to trigger another round of 'excommunications'.

    My prayer is that Their Excellencies are fortifying themselves for that event.

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    Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #19 on: July 04, 2022, 07:13:03 PM »
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  • The need to consecrate additional Bishops grows daily.

    And consecrations are almost certain to trigger another round of 'excommunications'.

    My prayer is that Their Excellencies are fortifying themselves for that event.

    I’m sure Francis will approve the “right” dossier.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."


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    Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #20 on: July 04, 2022, 09:55:54 PM »
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  • The need to consecrate additional Bishops grows daily.

    And consecrations are almost certain to trigger another round of 'excommunications'.

    My prayer is that Their Excellencies are fortifying themselves for that event.
    I asked an SSPX priest about this and was told that it is planned but will not happen in the current pontificate.

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    Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #21 on: July 04, 2022, 10:09:30 PM »
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  • The need to consecrate additional Bishops grows daily.

    And consecrations are almost certain to trigger another round of 'excommunications'.

    My prayer is that Their Excellencies are fortifying themselves for that event.

    The need for real leaders grows daily, as the present crop are spineless chumps.

    What do greater numbers matter when they are all silent accomplices to our destruction?

    None of them deserves the title "Excellency" for they possess neither office nor jurisdiction.  Traddieland is full of clerics who seem to inordinately desire and revel in that which is not their due.

    They cannot even speak truth-to-power during the most dangerous time for the flock in all history.  They are unwittingly preparing to be tossed aside in favor of the real leaders God will raise up by His own means.  Sadly, they are basically cancelling themselves, not even making the wack-jobs exert real effort.
    "Fear God, and keep His commandments: for this is all man."

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    Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #22 on: July 04, 2022, 10:18:45 PM »
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  • I asked an SSPX priest about this and was told that it is planned but will not happen in the current pontificate.

    And DT the DB (aka Donald Trump) is really a master of "5-D Chess" and has the Deep State Swamp-critters right where he wants them. ;)

    "The Great Victory is just around the corner!"
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    Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #23 on: July 04, 2022, 11:40:08 PM »
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  • The need for real leaders grows daily, as the present crop are spineless chumps.

    What do greater numbers matter when they are all silent accomplices to our destruction?

    None of them deserves the title "Excellency" for they possess neither office nor jurisdiction.  Traddieland is full of clerics who seem to inordinately desire and revel in that which is not their due.

    They cannot even speak truth-to-power during the most dangerous time for the flock in all history.  They are unwittingly preparing to be tossed aside in favor of the real leaders God will raise up by His own means.  Sadly, they are basically cancelling themselves, not even making the wack-jobs exert real effort.

    Sad but true ... and very well put.

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    Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #24 on: July 04, 2022, 11:43:49 PM »
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  • I asked an SSPX priest about this and was told that it is planned but will not happen in the current pontificate.

    Given that Bishop Tissier is rather ill, and the reports that +Fellay and +Galaretta both got the jab ... I don't know that they have the luxury of time.  Imagine if all 3 passed away before they were to consecrate successors.  Would they then suddenly go crawling back to Bishop Williamson and the bishops that he consecrated?  If that were to happen, I think that Rome would let them wither on the vine and die out ... unless of course they wanted to plan a Modernist in there to further erode Traditional Catholicism.  Of course, I'm convinced that many of the current "leadership" are in fact Modernist agents.

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    Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #25 on: July 05, 2022, 07:29:03 AM »
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  • Given that Bishop Tissier is rather ill, and the reports that +Fellay and +Galaretta both got the jab ... I don't know that they have the luxury of time.  Imagine if all 3 passed away before they were to consecrate successors.  Would they then suddenly go crawling back to Bishop Williamson and the bishops that he consecrated?  If that were to happen, I think that Rome would let them wither on the vine and die out ... unless of course they wanted to plan a Modernist in there to further erode Traditional Catholicism.  Of course, I'm convinced that many of the current "leadership" are in fact Modernist agents.

    Faced with a whithering vine scenario, they might turn to +Huonder.  Then again, he’s 80, so the clock is ticking there too. 

    If so, it would cause/signal a further decline of the SSPX in turning to a Novus Ordo bishop for Orders, and could spark more defections from the pews worldwide.  Then again, the Swiss sspxers seem to have accepted him without much protest.

    Perhaps the General Council would weigh the damage versus extinction, and decide it’s a necessary and beneficial purging (as Fr. Pfluger said with regard to Resistance losses after 2011/12)?

    Then again, +Huonder is Francis’s man, and might refuse a request, if ordered to do so. 

    Or maybe they’ll say they don’t need their own bishops anymore, since they can turn to the likes of +Huonder for all their needs.

    But much more likely, Rome will request dossiers of the most liberal candidates, and approve 1-2.  The SSPX will celebrate its ralliement strategy as victorious, declaring the final realization of Lefebvre’s 1988 dream of gaining Rome-approved bishops (but of a much different spirit and formation), and say “I told you so” to +Williamson.  But it will be three steps back for Tradition. 

    Perhaps Rome will even want to use its own bishops for the consecrations, as a test to see how much the society has softened since 1988/2012, and make it a litmus test.  Or perhaps they will be happy for the moment to have a conciliar bishop co-consecrate: Getting the SSPX to consent to that much would surely be perceived as a sign of their progress (meanwhile, Menzingen could sell the deal by minimalizing the importance of co-consecrators). 

    But the smart move (Francis’s strategy) is to simply starve them into extinction, and it’s very questionable whether the SSPX, after 10 years of hand-wringing about its abnormal status, would possess the psychological surety it would be doing the right thing.

    Turning to the Resistance bishops would simultaneously be the easiest, but least likely course: The Society leadership as a victim of its own ralliement has been softened into becoming psychologically dependent on modernist Rome’s approval, and the pride of the General Council will rather have tradition fade to black, than turn to the bishops they have been demonizing the last several years: How can they tell their faithful to shun the Resistance, if they themselves turn to them for bishops?
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    Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #26 on: July 05, 2022, 10:05:46 AM »
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  • Faced with a whithering vine scenario, they might turn to +Huonder.  Then again, he’s 80, so the clock is ticking there too. 

    If so, it would cause/signal a further decline of the SSPX in turning to a Novus Ordo bishop for Orders, and could spark more defections from the pews worldwide.  Then again, the Swiss sspxers seem to have accepted him without much protest.

    Perhaps the General Council would weigh the damage versus extinction, and decide it’s a necessary and beneficial purging (as Fr. Pfluger said with regard to Resistance losses after 2011/12)?

    Then again, +Huonder is Francis’s man, and might refuse a request, if ordered to do so. 

    Or maybe they’ll say they don’t need their own bishops anymore, since they can turn to the likes of +Huonder for all their needs.

    But much more likely, Rome will request dossiers of the most liberal candidates, and approve 1-2.  The SSPX will celebrate its ralliement strategy as victorious, declaring the final realization of Lefebvre’s 1988 dream of gaining Rome-approved bishops (but of a much different spirit and formation), and say “I told you so” to +Williamson.  But it will be three steps back for Tradition. 

    Perhaps Rome will even want to use its own bishops for the consecrations, as a test to see how much the society has softened since 1988/2012, and make it a litmus test.  Or perhaps they will be happy for the moment to have a conciliar bishop co-consecrate: Getting the SSPX to consent to that much would surely be perceived as a sign of their progress (meanwhile, Menzingen could sell the deal by minimalizing the importance of co-consecrators). 

    But the smart move (Francis’s strategy) is to simply starve them into extinction, and it’s very questionable whether the SSPX, after 10 years of hand-wringing about its abnormal status, would possess the psychological surety it would be doing the right thing.

    Turning to the Resistance bishops would simultaneously be the easiest, but least likely course: The Society leadership as a victim of its own ralliement has been softened into becoming psychologically dependent on modernist Rome’s approval, and the pride of the General Council will rather have tradition fade to black, than turn to the bishops they have been demonizing the last several years: How can they tell their faithful to shun the Resistance, if they themselves turn to them for bishops?

    Neither is +Vigano an option, because consecration aside, the SSPX is terrified of having any relations with him, for fear of what Rome might think.

    Were Lefebvre alive today, the SSPX would give him the same ostracism, for the same reasons.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #27 on: July 05, 2022, 12:20:47 PM »
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  • The sacramental validity of episcopal consecrations by dubious Nefarious  Odour “bishops” is sufficient for me to realize that the neosspx is on its deathbed, the real SsPX having expired some time ago.

    Father Girouard of the Resistance would be my only sacramental hope of everything goes into full clusterfloop mode.
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    Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #28 on: July 07, 2022, 12:07:25 AM »
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  • Given that Bishop Tissier is rather ill, and the reports that +Fellay and +Galaretta both got the jab ... I don't know that they have the luxury of time.  Imagine if all 3 passed away before they were to consecrate successors.  Would they then suddenly go crawling back to Bishop Williamson and the bishops that he consecrated?  If that were to happen, I think that Rome would let them wither on the vine and die out ... unless of course they wanted to plan a Modernist in there to further erode Traditional Catholicism.  Of course, I'm convinced that many of the current "leadership" are in fact Modernist agents.

    I asked the question specifically because the need for consecrations is apparent. I was wondering if the SSPX is willing to do today what Archbishop Lefebvre did in 1988. The answer that there will be no consecrations until the next pontificate (presumably unless there is an immediate and dire need), seems to me to be a matter of hoping the next guy will be more favorable, but that seems unlikely to me.

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    Re: Impressive Silence: The SSPX Bishops
    « Reply #29 on: July 07, 2022, 01:37:57 AM »
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  • After all posters on this forum are dead ~60 or so years from now we may see the last validly ordained SSPX priests pass on. It is curious, at this point I think if the Resistance still exists then that or sede chapels are the only real option unless SSPX gets serious about consecrating more bishops.

    The SSPX has some great priests still, we can have hope that the most courageous, outstanding among the bunch are elevated. Whether the political situation will allow this or not is another matter (lol) but there are faithful, serious priests to elevate if the SSPX wants to. I have to have hope here because many only have access to SSPX sacraments, the situation may become unbelievably bleak.

    As for +(?) Huonder... His principle consecrator(?)as well as co-consecrators(?) were all consecrated(?) in the 80s? Potentially very dangerous for the SSPX. They are all valid priests from what I can find out, please correct me if I am wrong about any of this and I apologize in advance, my source is cath hierarchy.
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