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Offline parentsfortruth

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Important message from Father Ortiz
« on: November 30, 2013, 10:18:58 AM »
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  • Would you please forward the following message to all the people from your mailing Resistance lists?
    God bless.
    Fr. JCO

    Dear Australian Faithful,

    I was reported that Mr. Lawrence Myers (lmyers@myacn.net.au), from Sydney, claims he is collecting money for the Resistance.
    I would like to warn everyone about this unauthorized initiative.
    This individual has not received ANY delegation or mandate for collecting funds on behalf of the Resistance leaders, either from Bp. Williamson or from any of their priests.
    If you wish to help financially the Resistance, please refer to the official web sites approved by Bp. Williamson and by the Resistance priests.


    In addition, Mr. Myers is writing malicious and hateful messages on the Internet with the purpose of dividing the Resistance’s leaders by trying to oppose them.


    God bless.


    Fr. J. C. Ortiz
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,


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    Important message from Father Ortiz
    « Reply #1 on: November 30, 2013, 02:17:39 PM »
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  • The saintly lawyer Laurie Myers funnelling donations for the resistance?  Who'd have thunk it?

    What happened to the money he collected?


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    Important message from Father Ortiz
    « Reply #2 on: November 30, 2013, 02:35:51 PM »
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  • Good question what he did with it, if it's not going to the resistance. That might be a question that Fr. Ortiz has the answer to.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,

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    Important message from Father Ortiz
    « Reply #3 on: November 30, 2013, 03:29:17 PM »
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    If you wish to help financially the Resistance, please refer to the official web sites approved by Bp. Williamson and by the Resistance priests.



    I agree with this and is what I have been doing.

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    Important message from Father Ortiz
    « Reply #4 on: December 02, 2013, 11:40:41 PM »
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  • This is one of Mr Myers websites
    http://www.capd.com.au/
    Help of Christians, guard our land from assault or inward stain,
    Let it be what God has planned, His new Eden where You reign.


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    « Reply #5 on: December 03, 2013, 02:17:15 AM »
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  • To the Convenor of CathInfo,

    Please take notice that I will be consulting a Defamation Lawyer tomorrow if there is not an immediate retraction of this defamatory post by Fr Ortiz and an apology.

    The proposed action will include Fr Ortiz, the Admin. of this forum and anyone who is foolish enough to post any defamatory material directed at me.

    Yours in Christ
    Lawrence (aka Laurie) Myers
    Sydney, Australia
    3 Dec. 2013

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    « Reply #6 on: December 03, 2013, 04:25:34 AM »
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  • If folk are collecting for any religious organisation, parish or priest, their accounts must be opened up for inspection. The confusion here is the website given promotes the SSPX .... and I know people think they can still back two horses.

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    « Reply #7 on: December 03, 2013, 04:49:55 AM »
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  • Quote from: Nadir
    This is one of Mr Myers websites
    http://www.capd.com.au/


    So basically he sells some kinds of multi-level marketing franchise, from what I can tell.

    Is he in the resistance or not?

    And if he is in the resistance, then why is he resisting the resistance?


    Offline TimeToFight

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    « Reply #8 on: December 03, 2013, 05:33:48 AM »
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  • Re Lawrence Myers

    (I don't have qualifications in psychology, the terms I use are lay terms, but hopefully clear and precise.)

    Laurie has some serious screws loose. I would say that his Denial has reached pathological levels, and he does not accept any authority, he is his own authority. A very dangerous and painful place to be. The whole fiasco re A Mullen (or Malleus or Milan whatever he calls himself these days) is scandalous, and he refuses to acknowledge the scandal, he states that anyone feeling scandalised by the scandal should come to him and see him first, avoiding the authority of the priests involved.

    While I do not think he would steal, he is grossly dishonest and misleading in every single one of his ventures, in that he constantly tries to get anyone involved on one basis (eg. "assist with promoting bp Williamsons visit") but actually it turns out to be:
    - listen to hours of videos re some business venture (unrelated to bp Williamson)
    - attend hours of seminars at hotels, re the same business venture
    - circuмvent the controls on Facebook, in order to use it for promotional activities, an act which Facebook expressly bans

    Culpable indeed.

    After getting kicked out of the Resistance for (a) the Malleus affair, and (b) his adverserial response to it, recently he is promoting the hilarious notion that bp Williamson and the Resistance are separate entities, that have nothing to do with each other.  The "logic" used to postulate that, and the references mentioned, are too insane to post.  He has forgotten that that is a complete contradiction of his presentations up to a month ago, that bp Williamson is the spiritual leader of the Resistance.  He condition is so severe, that he does not recognise that others do not have his condition.

    So now he is on his way "fully supporting bp Williamson" without reference to the Resistance.  He will not accept the simple fact that bp Williamson's visit is being organised by the Resistance.  Or that he is not invited.  He has his private "bp Williamson Support Fund", which his Excellency does not know about or sanction, and he is on a crusade all alone. No windmills around, so he will create one.  Very sad.

    I have heard from reliable sources that he is posting nasty messages and causing problems, although I have not read them.  He was a qualified solicitor, but never practised as one.  So be aware that he has the typical wannabe solicitors' method of twisting things; pivoting back and forth or minor points; hanging on the wording whilst avoiding the main point; re-interpreting your statements and feeding it back to you as if you said some preposterous thing.  Therefore, I would say, do not respond, ignore him completely.  He lives for the engagement, which is dishonestly obtained.

    All of which is why I state, his denial of reality, of unarguable facts, has reached pathological levels.

    Pray for him.


    Quote from: Wessex
    If folk are collecting for any religious organisation, parish or priest, their accounts must be opened up for inspection. The confusion here is the website given promotes the SSPX .... and I know people think they can still back two horses.


    Yes, he used to be with the Resistance, and burned his bridges with the neo-SSPX.  Now he is genuflecting to bp Fellay.  Yes, he backs many horses, he backs whichever is in front at any moment of the race, whatever is convenient to his need.  His investment is ten cents.  Now he is backing a certain jockey minus his horse.  In a horse race.

    But that isn't it.  This fund-raising is a new venture, and one has to get involved in his pyramid selling scheme in order to "support bp Williamson's visit".


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    « Reply #9 on: December 03, 2013, 06:31:35 AM »
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  • Quote from: Laurie Myers
    To the Convenor of CathInfo,

    Please take notice that I will be consulting a Defamation Lawyer tomorrow if there is not an immediate retraction of this defamatory post by Fr Ortiz and an apology.

    The proposed action will include Fr Ortiz, the Admin. of this forum and anyone who is foolish enough to post any defamatory material directed at me.

    Yours in Christ
    Lawrence (aka Laurie) Myers
    Sydney, Australia
    3 Dec. 2013


    To Lawrence Myers

    Marvellous.  

    I sincerely hope you obtain qualified and experienced counsel, specifically defamation experienced, and specifically litigation experienced (inexperienced ones and legal secretaries are famous for postulating all sorts of nonsense that turns out to be poor advice, and very costly).

    I hope that in your discussions, which will undoubtedly traverse most of the near universe and the forces that govern it, you will find time to discuss the requirement for defamation action: that the statements made against you are false.  Do tell him that we have evidence that you approached two parties, and also a series of emails that you have sent to others.  We wouldn't want him to be surprised, finding that out from us, would we.

    Now if your money-collecting on behalf of the party that you allege to be supporting is in fact authorised, all you need to do is to post the alleged authorisation.  That would force a retraction and apology, and eliminate the need for hilarious threats on the internet.   I won't hold my breath.

    Likewise, in order to apologise, first some act must be committed, and second, that act must be an error.  Since there is evidence of the act, and no evidence that it is an error (moaning and wailing does not count), there is nothing to apologise for.

    I hope that in your discussions, you discuss that the action proposed will take place in the courts of Australia, under Australian Law, not in the colourful mental state of Don Quixote.  Australians have a right to defend themselves against loss of funds; against fraud; to notify the public that a fraud may be taking place, especially when there is evidence of it.  They have a moral right to protect the public from being defrauded.  They have a right to protect their name, which would be despoiled if known fraudulent activity was not dealt with.

    In Australia, collecting funds on behalf of someone without their authorisation and without the necessary paperwork in place,  in a crime, a police matter.  Therefore I urge you to post any evidence you have to the contrary, in order to avoid police action.  The Resistance will not need to lift a finger, or to engage in your demands for engagement.

    Second last, the posts you have made attacking the Resistance forms a rather fine catalogue, and forms a consistent body of evidence re your motivation, intent, and mental state, by your own hand.  Exactly how you subsequently prove that your intent and motivation was contrary to your own evidence, would be interesting to unemployed solicitors, but no one else.

    I will supply my name, so that you can join me in the proposed action, if and when the proposed action is served.  Until then, I will continue to follow the established practice on the internet, of using an UserName, in order to avoid spam, stalking and personal attacks.  It is not a "pseudonym" or an alias, along the lines of A Milan or Malleus or Mullen or whatever he is calling himself these days; it is an UserName.

    Your evidenced dishonesty, your evidenced attempts at fraud, your love of scandal, your demands that people accept your denial of reality, have no place at all in the Resistance.  You have switched back to the neo-SSPX anyway.  Now be gone, bad spot.

    I will pray for you.

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    « Reply #10 on: December 03, 2013, 06:47:47 AM »
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  • Quote from: TimeToFight

    Your evidenced dishonesty, your evidenced attempts at fraud, your love of scandal, your demands that people accept your denial of reality, have no place at all in the Resistance.


    I forgot to mention your most marketed and visible feature: your love of money.


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    « Reply #11 on: December 03, 2013, 12:15:49 PM »
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  • Quote from: ttf would have

    In Australia, collecting funds on behalf of someone without their authorisation and without the necessary paperwork in place,  in [is] a crime, a police matter.



    It's a typo.


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    « Reply #12 on: December 03, 2013, 12:22:58 PM »
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    Quote from: Fr. J.C. Ortiz

    In addition, Mr. Myers is writing malicious and hateful messages on the Internet with the purpose of dividing the Resistance’s leaders by trying to oppose them.




    Let's see here:

    Quote from: Laurie Myers
    To the Convenor of CathInfo,

    Please take notice that I will be consulting a Defamation Lawyer tomorrow if there is not an immediate retraction of this defamatory post by Fr Ortiz and an apology.

    The proposed action will include Fr Ortiz, the Admin. of this forum and anyone who is foolish enough to post any defamatory material directed at me.

    Yours in Christ
    Lawrence (aka Laurie) Myers
    Sydney, Australia
    3 Dec. 2013



    Certainly appears to be yet another example of "malicious and hateful messages on the Internet with the purpose of dividing the Resistance’s leaders by trying to oppose them," doesn't it?


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    « Reply #13 on: December 03, 2013, 01:12:22 PM »
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  • Thread: Careful Where You Send Yo Money!

    Fr. Ortiz: Don't give Church money to Mr. Lawrence Myers (lmyers@myacn.net.au)! He's not authorized!

    Check out Laurie's page...

    Quote from: Laurie's page after obligatory religion stuff


    Who wants to find out about an EXTRAORDINARY Business Opportunity which has received a GLOWING endorsement from a MULTI-BILLIONAIRE Just email me lmyers@myacn.net.au

    Become Soldiers for Traditional Catholicism! AND RICH! —Quick!
    [/i]


     :tv-disturbed: ewww, same email that Fr. Ortiz warned about and everything. Get rich quick schemer? Boy I hope nobody really sent this "Mr. Lawrence Myers" any real money. That would be a shame. He's clearly one of those creepy pyramid schemers... what are those called?

    Smart people on thread: this loser be MLM.

    Legem credendi, lex statuit supplicandi

    +JMJ

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    « Reply #14 on: December 03, 2013, 01:20:58 PM »
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  • Wow, TTF- after reading your posts, it makes me wonder about the one you deleted! Brave fellow.