[Wessex]

About 20% of Opus Dei are celibate. They live in special residential centers where they lead extremely structured lives— critics say this practice isolates its members from the rest of society and allows Opus Dei to have nearly total control over its members' environments. Critics note that numeraries in Opus Dei generally submit all their incoming and outgoing mail to their superiors to read.[24] They also point to a "Forbidden Books List" that details which books members are not allowed to read without the express permission of their superiors.[24] For some books, a numerary's direct supervisor can provide permission, but for other books, permission can only be given by the Prelate in Rome. According to some critics, Opus Dei pressures numeraries to cut off social contact with non-members, including their own families.[17] Numeraries in Opus Dei generally hand over their entire salaries to the organization, and critics say this has the effect of making numeraries extremely dependent upon the organization.

This is a form of slavery in the Opus Dei cult.  Don't you think the Zionist infiltrators working at the top levels of the SSPX would like to have people totally under their psychological control so they can extract the maximum amount of money?  Raise the girls to be married off to the highest bidders?

Gosh, no wonder Menzingen favours an Opus Dei-style operation! Imagine all that extra control it would have! Perhaps if we look back over the years we will find that the signs were there and were ignored.

[Zorayda]

Ok, so will Menzingen tell us what kind of toothpaste we should buy or tell our children who to marry. Will Fellay start wiretapping the confessionals and the restrooms now? Will Menzingen require all faithful to take some kind of oath or better yet, wear a chip connected to a GPS?

This is out of wack!!! This is a freakish nightmare!

I say multiply the forums & cry to the moon! Don't stop making noise until the dictator steps down from his high horse!!!  :boxer:

[Sigismund]

Terrible news.

Bishop Fellay has achieved what even Max could not do.

Next step: expel our Lionhearted Bishop.

Then the path to NewRome will be open.

Kyrie Eleyson!

The Superior General in line with the Consiliar church's intimidation techniques, has already implied resistance to the neoSSPX will be deemed a mortal sin, justifying automatic excommunication.

Not exactly.

Most "Conciliar" bishops would not stoop so low.  Bishop Fellay is a dictator with delusions of papacy.  In fact he has no jurisdiction at all.  His threats of excommunication are ghosts to frighten children.  

[Sigismund]

So sad that Gregorio stepped down, Clare may demote herself next. I bet the accordistas are glad. Looks like Opus Fellay has struck again.

If one of the accordistas there replaces GS, I don't think I will remain on Ignis. They would probably ban me anyway.

They wouldn't know what to do with me, a"Conciliarist" who thinks they are pigs (the accordistas, not Clare)  

As things stand now, is the SSPX so different from the FSSP or similar groups?  If one is going to the SSPX "just for the Sacraments" but despises their leadership and direction, why not go to the FSSP with the same attitude.  I have only know a few FSSP priests, but none of them are capable of such malevolent behavior on their worst days.  

[Sigismund]

It's about time to sack Bishop Fellay and his henchman.

Words are only one tool.

How could that be done?

A universal, or near universal, refusal on the part of lay associates of the SSPX to contribute another penny should do the trick.  

[Zorayda]

So it's ok to publish the work of Indult movers & shakers on the SSPX websites but they can deny Holy Communion to their own faithful who oppose Menzingen's plot to place the faithful, priests, & religious under the AntiChrist NO Modernist Apostate Church???

So it is logical to conclude that Fellay wants us to become NO. 2+2=4

[bernadette]

So sad that Gregorio stepped down, Clare may demote herself next. I bet the accordistas are glad. Looks like Opus Fellay has struck again.

If one of the accordistas there replaces GS, I don't think I will remain on Ignis. They would probably ban me anyway.

They wouldn't know what to do with me, a"Conciliarist" who thinks they are pigs (the accordistas, not Clare)  

As things stand now, is the SSPX so different from the FSSP or similar groups?  If one is going to the SSPX "just for the Sacraments" but despises their leadership and direction, why not go to the FSSP with the same attitude.  I have only know a few FSSP priests, but none of them are capable of such malevolent behavior on their worst days.  

The SSPX does not deserve support any longer.  If one is going "just for the sacraments" they may as well go to the FSSP or the indult for that matter, it will be no different, and the dictatorship SSPX will lose the financial support as it should.

[pbax]

To rely upon our own talents is a cause of great loss. For when a Superior, a preacher or a confessor places confidence in his own prudence, knowledge and intelligence, God, to make him know and see insufficiency, withdraws from him His help, and leaves him to work by himself. Whence it happens that all his plans and labours produce little or no fruit. This is often the cause why our undertakings fail. – St. Vincent de Paul.

[Wessex]

Traditionalists had the habit of voting with their feet but Bp. Fellay must have built up quite a following over the years .... and there are indult types who like him too! We of course are not liked!

[John Grace]

An important point is made in the post from Dumb Ox.

http://cathinfo-warning-pornography!/Ignis_Ardens/index.php?showtopic=11056&st=0

Dear helen50,

Fr. Morgan and his priests are very sound and very solid as I have been regularly informed by trusted friends who know them - and who know them very well.

It is to the great credit of Clare and Gregorio that they are prepared to step aside from moderating duties in order to protect those priests from being put in impossible situations that could encourage fragmentation of a united resistance ready and waiting to act in a unified manner as an entire bloc if and when such an occasion is forced upon them.

It is plain that Bishop Fellay desires to close down all criticism - the just along with the unjust - of his regime, but in pursuing this Stalinist policy it appears entirely likely that he will find that the consequence results in far greater and more relentless criticism of himself and his regime.

Without two loyal and integral Catholic SSPX supporters such as Gregorio and Clare serving as moderation, Bishop Fellay has undoubtedly just created a Pandora's Box for himself and his fellow-travellers.

So be it.

Just as Fr Rostand drew a line in the sand the other day, I agree with Dumb Ox that Bishop Fellay and his gang have just created a Pandora's Box. Bishop Fellay has certainly shot himself in the foot yet again and has strengthened the resistance to any sell out.

[stgobnait]

 i dont know about you, but i have felt sold out for a long time.......

[SeanJohnson]

Kind of funny how back in 2009 we were all scratching our heads trying to figure out why Bishop Williamson would be sidelined for having expressed a non-religious historical opinion.

But after 3.5 years of hindsight, it appears the Swedish interview ambush may just have been a means to solve a Menzingen dilemma:

We want to sign a deal with Rome.

But Williamson will never go along with it.

All the same, we can't expel him, since Rome wants to crush....uh....embrace all tradition.

And expelling Williamson would allow tradition to start anew.

Therefore, here is the plan:

Keep Williamson inside the SSPX, but sidelined (kind of like the Abbé de Nantes) and ineffectual.

This will pacify the Jєωs while keeping tradition from escaping our normalization process.

In the meantime, vigorously seek out and destroy all voices of public dissent (we don't care about them escaping our clutches, since they cannot ordain and perpetuate tradition, and so time is on Rome's side as they die off).

In this manner we will then be able to return to the bargaining table with Rome, having recovered profound unity through liquidation of those who disagree with us.

All Rome need do then, is respond to the 6 conditions we have left dangling before them as a perpetual invitation to re-propose a practical accord, after all the above has been accomplished.

We are now in the last stages of the process, as Menzingen/Kansas City's recent aggressive measure and articles announce.

Pretty simple.

[Emerentiana]

Kind of funny how back in 2009 we were all scratching our heads trying to figure out why Bishop Williamson would be sidelined for having expressed a non-religious historical opinion.

But after 3.5 years of hindsight, it appears the Swedish interview ambush may just have been a means to solve a Menzingen dilemma:

We want to sign a deal with Rome.

But Williamson will never go along with it.

All the same, we can't expel him, since Rome wants to crush....uh....embrace all tradition.

And expelling Williamson would allow tradition to start anew.

Therefore, here is the plan:

Keep Williamson inside the SSPX, but sidelined (kind of like the Abbé de Nantes) and ineffectual.

This will pacify the Jєωs while keeping tradition from escaping our normalization process.

In the meantime, vigorously seek out and destroy all voices of public dissent (we don't care about them escaping our clutches, since they cannot ordain and perpetuate tradition, and so time is on Rome's side as they die off).

In this manner we will then be able to return to the bargaining table with Rome, having recovered profound unity through liquidation of those who disagree with us.

All Rome need do then, is respond to the 6 conditions we have left dangling before them as a perpetual invitation to re-propose a practical accord, after all the above has been accomplished.

We are now in the last stages of the process, as Menzingen/Kansas City's recent aggressive measure and articles announce.

Pretty simple.

I totally agree with you, Seraphim!   :applause: :applause: :applause:
 Ive been saying practically the same thing for a long time here.  Have to destroy all public dissent before taking the 2 steps forward!  Its totally evil.  The Ignes Ardens moderators are backing off, when they should be moving forward!  Matthew and his family will be next in the line of attack.  They will single him out and have his parish priest expell him for  moderating this forum.  Words are cheap.  Actions take courage to execute!

[SeanJohnson]

Kind of funny how back in 2009 we were all scratching our heads trying to figure out why Bishop Williamson would be sidelined for having expressed a non-religious historical opinion.

But after 3.5 years of hindsight, it appears the Swedish interview ambush may just have been a means to solve a Menzingen dilemma:

We want to sign a deal with Rome.

But Williamson will never go along with it.

All the same, we can't expel him, since Rome wants to crush....uh....embrace all tradition.

And expelling Williamson would allow tradition to start anew.

Therefore, here is the plan:

Keep Williamson inside the SSPX, but sidelined (kind of like the Abbé de Nantes) and ineffectual.

This will pacify the Jєωs while keeping tradition from escaping our normalization process.

In the meantime, vigorously seek out and destroy all voices of public dissent (we don't care about them escaping our clutches, since they cannot ordain and perpetuate tradition, and so time is on Rome's side as they die off).

In this manner we will then be able to return to the bargaining table with Rome, having recovered profound unity through liquidation of those who disagree with us.

All Rome need do then, is respond to the 6 conditions we have left dangling before them as a perpetual invitation to re-propose a practical accord, after all the above has been accomplished.

We are now in the last stages of the process, as Menzingen/Kansas City's recent aggressive measure and articles announce.

Pretty simple.

I totally agree with you, Seraphim!   :applause: :applause: :applause:
 Ive been saying practically the same thing for a long time here.  Have to destroy all public dissent before taking the 2 steps forward!  Its totally evil.  The Ignes Ardens moderators are backing off, when they should be moving forward!  Matthew and his family will be next in the line of attack.  They will single him out and have his parish priest expell him for  moderating this forum.  Words are cheap.  Actions take courage to execute!

Going forward, we need anonymity.

Anonymous website owners, moderators, and posters.

As Fr Chazal says, this is war to save the SSPX.

We must think like soldiers, continuously on the move, and outflanking the enemy, lest we be outflanked.

[cantatedomino]

Going forward, we need anonymity.

Anonymous website owners, moderators, and posters.

As Fr Chazal says, this is war to save the SSPX.

We must think like soldiers, continuously on the move, and outflanking the enemy, lest we be outflanked.

That is very interesting, Seraphim, but I would have to disagree. Fr. Pfeiffer has been strongly encouraging me to write in my own name for months. He wholeheartedly believes that we have no spiritual or moral strength as long as we hide behind pseudonyms.

I took a good long time to think about this, as it was very much against my human inclinations. I didn't say it was against my principles, only my inclinations.

Though I completely understand your thinking, I decided to take his advice because it is the highest principle to follow. If we follow this principle we risk a lot, but Jesus has given us many promises in order to encourage us to take the narrow path. He did say that we will be persecuted for His sake, but He also assured us that it is our one and only glory.

I don't think the answer to Menzingen's very sinful behavior is anonymity - because that shows the enemies of God that we are afraid of them.

No, we must muster our fortitude and imitate Christ and His Apostles.  We must be Saints, and Martyrs for God's Cause.

And I have to disagree on one other point - this is not war to save the SSPX. It is the War to Defend the Roman Catholic Faith. If we die, let us die for the Faith.

All good wishes to you in Christ Jesus,
Suzanne