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Important announcement concerning Ignis Ardens Forum
« on: October 06, 2012, 04:34:25 PM »
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  • Posted by IA Moderator, Gregorio Sarto 0n 6 OCT 2012:


    Dear All,

    I am sorry that it has come to this but here we are:

    I am stepping down as moderator of Ignis Ardens, and I wish as many people as possible to know why.

    The SSPX has been my spiritual home for the last 10 years - ever since I was old enough to make my own decision about where to attend Mass - and has exerted a positive influence for even longer in many ways. You all know what opinion and position I take regarding the future of the SSPX and the mooted deal with Rome. You also know (most of you, anyway) the regard in which I hold the current direction and leadership of the SSPX. And the marginally lower regard in which I hold those who shut their eyes and side with them, through motives of self-interest when they must surely know better.

    I have been aware for some time of scandalous reports, filtering back from Asia and elsewhere, of layfolk being denied the sacraments, or threatened with as much, essentially for no greater crime than an "incorrect opinion" regarding Menzingen's politics and clever diplomatic games. More recently, my attention has been drawn to the possibility of an SSPX-wide policy to this effect.

    According to my understanding, Bishop Fellay has 'suggested' to our District Superior that anyone who dares criticize the public words and actions of +Fellay or Menzingen on internet forums such as Ignis Ardens (named specifically) and blogs should be denied Holy Communion by SSPX priests. He communicated that anyone owning or moderating forums where criticism takes place should be denied Holy Communion, and that anyone employed by SSPX who falls into these categories should also get sacked.

    I reproduce below what I believe are the relevant canons regarding this, and I leave it to you to see the justice (or lack thereof) in this latest decision by Menzingen/Fellay.

    Now, whilst this sort of thing might work in some places, in England the most highly critical of the Romeward, liberal drift of the SSPX are (in my humble opinion) those people who have given the most to the SSPX and who are its most selfless, loyal, devout and generous supporters. I of course do not include myself in that. For people who know me from Mass, I let you judge whether I have not attempted, over the years, to give of my time and very modest efforts in whatever small way possible. My point is that if +Fellay proceeds with forcibly silencing his critics, the people punished most will be those who least deserve it. In any case, in a sense this is all an academic question and does not matter: I personally have complete confidence in Fr. Morgan's integrity as a priest and a loyal son of Archbishop Lefebvre.

    But whilst the faithful in the British Isles, Ireland and Scandinavia don't believe for a minute that such a monstrous abuse of ecclesiastical power and function would ever be carried out by our current priests, nevertheless, if Bishop Fellay demands that Ignis Ardens becomes unmoderated then so be it. Clare and I each have our families to think of, lives of our own, and we both have better things to do with our time. Clare of course can speak for herself, but if her thinking is anything like mine, Ignis Ardens may well find its members having to moderate themselves from now on. I am truly amazed that either of us should be threatened with excommunication, but I am not making this up. And whilst I would happily defy an unjust command from a Bishop to whom I have never sworn obedience, and whilst equally I do not believe for one instant that our excellent priests would ever be party to such a monstrous injustice, yet for the sake of Fr. Morgan and the other clergy I will not force the issue, and so I stand down as Moderator.

    I make no secret of the fact that I pray for the SSPX and at the moment, specifically, for a speedy end to the Generalship of Bishop Fellay which, I believe, is doing great harm to the SSPX and consequently to Catholic Tradition, Almighty God's work upon earth. May God have Mercy on us all for our sins, and may His will be done.


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    1983 CODE OF CANON LAW

    PARTICIPATION IN THE MOST HOLY EUCHARIST

    Can. 912 Any baptized person not prohibited by law can and must be admitted to holy communion.

    Can. 915 Those who have been excommunicated or interdicted after the imposition or declaration of the penalty and others obstinately persevering in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to Holy Communion.


     USURPATION OF ECCLESIASTICAL FUNCTIONS AND DELICTS IN THEIR EXERCISE

    Can. 1389 §1. A person who abuses an ecclesiastical power or function is to be punished according to the gravity of the act or omission, not excluding privation of office, unless a law or precept has already established the penalty for this abuse.

     Â§2. A person who through culpable negligence illegitimately places or omits an act of ecclesiastical power, ministry, or function with harm to another is to be punished with a just penalty.


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    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Important announcement concerning Ignis Ardens Forum
    « Reply #1 on: October 06, 2012, 04:42:23 PM »
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  • It's about time to sack Bishop Fellay and his henchman.

    Words are only one tool.


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    Important announcement concerning Ignis Ardens Forum
    « Reply #2 on: October 06, 2012, 05:00:11 PM »
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  • If our Faith is the most important thing we need to do whatever is possible to remove these cancers before they irreparably wreck the work of the Archbishop.

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    Important announcement concerning Ignis Ardens Forum
    « Reply #3 on: October 06, 2012, 05:48:41 PM »
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  • Terrible news.

    Bishop Fellay has achieved what even Max could not do.

    Next step: expel our Lionhearted Bishop.

    Then the path to NewRome will be open.

    Kyrie Eleyson!
    O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
    Praised be Jesus ad Mary!

    "Is minic a gheibhean beal oscailt diog dunta"

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    Important announcement concerning Ignis Ardens Forum
    « Reply #4 on: October 06, 2012, 06:07:23 PM »
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  • I dare whichever priest that is sent to MY church to try to do that to us. I dare them.
    Matthew 5:37

    But let your speech be yea, yea: no, no: and that which is over and above these, is of evil.

    My Avatar is Fr. Hector Bolduc. He was a faithful parish priest in De Pere, WI,


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    Important announcement concerning Ignis Ardens Forum
    « Reply #5 on: October 06, 2012, 06:48:48 PM »
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  • A good and faithful priest once said [/i]"It is better to have the Faith without the Mass than the Mass without the Faith."

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    Important announcement concerning Ignis Ardens Forum
    « Reply #6 on: October 06, 2012, 06:51:03 PM »
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  • Quote from: JMacQ
    Terrible news.

    Bishop Fellay has achieved what even Max could not do.

    Next step: expel our Lionhearted Bishop.

    Then the path to NewRome will be open.

    Kyrie Eleyson!



    The Superior General in line with the Consiliar church's intimidation techniques, has already implied resistance to the neoSSPX will be deemed a mortal sin, justifying automatic excommunication.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Important announcement concerning Ignis Ardens Forum
    « Reply #7 on: October 06, 2012, 06:54:03 PM »
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  • Quote from: Incredulous
    Quote from: JMacQ
    Terrible news.

    Bishop Fellay has achieved what even Max could not do.

    Next step: expel our Lionhearted Bishop.

    Then the path to NewRome will be open.

    Kyrie Eleyson!



    The Superior General in line with the Consiliar church's intimidation techniques, has already implied resistance to the neoSSPX will be deemed a mortal sin, justifying automatic excommunication.


    It's a cult.

    Opus Fellay


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    Important announcement concerning Ignis Ardens Forum
    « Reply #8 on: October 06, 2012, 07:02:37 PM »
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  • "Pride cometh before the fall", and "the root of all evil is greed".

     :sad:



    For your listening enjoyment.  What a sad day it is.

    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
    Luke 10:42

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    Important announcement concerning Ignis Ardens Forum
    « Reply #9 on: October 06, 2012, 07:10:44 PM »
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  • Not even the conciliar Church has done what this madman Fellay has done...he works in secret, he puts on a false face, he is as evil as the modernists.

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    Important announcement concerning Ignis Ardens Forum
    « Reply #10 on: October 06, 2012, 07:42:17 PM »
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  • So sad that Gregorio stepped down, Clare may demote herself next. I bet the accordistas are glad. Looks like Opus Fellay has struck again.

    If one of the accordistas there replaces GS, I don't think I will remain on Ignis. They would probably ban me anyway.


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    Important announcement concerning Ignis Ardens Forum
    « Reply #11 on: October 06, 2012, 08:19:52 PM »
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  • I think the Menzingen is working towards a closed society requiring membership for its followers (instead of an off the street facility) with eventual conciliar recognition. Tightly controlled like the Opus Dei and Legionnaires. And I think most of its priests would like the ldea.

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    « Reply #12 on: October 06, 2012, 08:21:09 PM »
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  • Quote from: Wessex
    I think the Menzingen is working towards a closed society requiring membership for its followers (instead of an off the street facility) with eventual conciliar recognition. Tightly controlled like the Opus Dei and Legionnaires. And I think most of its priests would like the ldea.


    They like having cult control.  Yes.  Opus Dei and the Legionnaires are both corrupt cult organizations.

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    « Reply #13 on: October 06, 2012, 08:26:51 PM »
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    About 20% of Opus Dei are celibate. They live in special residential centers where they lead extremely structured lives— critics say this practice isolates its members from the rest of society and allows Opus Dei to have nearly total control over its members' environments. Critics note that numeraries in Opus Dei generally submit all their incoming and outgoing mail to their superiors to read.[24] They also point to a "Forbidden Books List" that details which books members are not allowed to read without the express permission of their superiors.[24] For some books, a numerary's direct supervisor can provide permission, but for other books, permission can only be given by the Prelate in Rome. According to some critics, Opus Dei pressures numeraries to cut off social contact with non-members, including their own families.[17] Numeraries in Opus Dei generally hand over their entire salaries to the organization, and critics say this has the effect of making numeraries extremely dependent upon the organization.


    This is a form of slavery in the Opus Dei cult.  Don't you think the Zionist infiltrators working at the top levels of the SSPX would like to have people totally under their psychological control so they can extract the maximum amount of money?  Raise the girls to be married off to the highest bidders?

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    Important announcement concerning Ignis Ardens Forum
    « Reply #14 on: October 06, 2012, 08:39:39 PM »
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  • Quote from: Telesphorus
    It's about time to sack Bishop Fellay and his henchman.

    Words are only one tool.


    How could that be done?

     

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