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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: tradlover on October 27, 2016, 09:30:27 AM
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We have a pope who spews heresy daily. He supports the gαy perverts. Where is the SSPX in all this? They should be from the rooftops screaming against him.
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Boy, you seem to be hopping on the train pretty late. Of course they should be shouting from the rooftops. But the Fellay-led sspx is a phony organization which just pretends to carry forward the legacy of the Archbishop. You didn't know that? Fellay & Co. want to return to Rome. It should be pretty clear by now.
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We have a pope who spews heresy daily. He supports the gαy perverts. Where is the SSPX in all this? They should be from the rooftops screaming against him.
You may have overlooked this pertinent post in another thread:
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=42592&min=6&num=3
J.Paul
It must be assumed that the SSPX already adheres to the orthodoxy of the Catholic creed but, it is that orthodoxy which is contrary to the modernist teaching of the conciliar entity. So one must logically ask, why do they want them to affirm something which is the basis for conflict between them rather than a modified text which would allow some sort of agreement?
Bishop Fellay is very eager to broker a deal, and he has been known in the past to colour facts and cast them in a more positive manner that does not actually reflect the realities.
He has also been caught asserting things which turned out to be false and unorthodox.
Great caution should be exercised in taking his statements at face value, although his fans and supporters do so and commit themselves to whatever he utters.
SSPX is obviously already with the modernist Roman enterprise in spirit if not in fact. These statements are just details being worked out. The Faithful will all wake up one day and will have become Novus Ordo indult catholics overnight who will be in canonical submission to the conciliar doctrines and errors and heretical popes such as Francis.
The gates of Tradition are being thrown open to the plunderers. The coming defeat comes from within.
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The question is: "Where is the SSPX in all this?" :scratchchin:
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Hard to explain, but try to imagine, if you will, the SSPX cooperating in their being "positioned" and branded as the "High-newChurch".
High Church Definition:
The term "high church" refers to beliefs and practices of ecclesiology, liturgy, and theology, generally with an emphasis on formality and resistance to "modernisation". Although used in connection with various Christian traditions, the term originated in and has been principally associated with the Anglican/Episcopal tradition, where it describes Anglican churches using a number of ritual practices associated in the popular mind with Roman Catholicism. The opposite is low church. Contemporary media discussing Anglican churches tend to prefer evangelical to "low church", and Anglo-Catholic to "high church", though the terms do not exactly correspond. Other contemporary denominations that contain high church wings include some Lutheran, Presbyterian, and Methodist churches.
High Church Link (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_church)
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Boy, you seem to be hopping on the train pretty late. Of course they should be shouting from the rooftops. But the Fellay-led sspx is a phony organization which just pretends to carry forward the legacy of the Archbishop. You didn't know that? Fellay & Co. want to return to Rome. It should be pretty clear by now.
I am finding it disturbing . Where was the outcry when gαy marriage was legalized? Where are they while Jorge Bergoglio lambasts us daily?
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Of course, these are the consequences of having a non-catholic for a pope or as the sedevacantist like to say, the Chair although there is empty.
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Our Blessed Lady said that the errors of Russia will spread, globally. Bolshevik communism.
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Trad-ism has always been a convenient facility whereby Catholics can carry the culture into the modern world. There seemed to be little concern shown just before V2 for those diligently maintaining religious practices yet being at the centre of contemporary life and its very progressive outlook. We must say that the changes that were to come were ways to resolve this leading of double lives after the reformers won the day. I believe a lot of 50ism continued within the SSPX and I observed so many of its influential lay supporters were enjoying their secular way of life without seeing the obvious inconsistencies. This rather vague assertion of traditionalism owes its continuing existence to cultural conditioning adjusting to the present through a process of slow hybridisation. And this process has spawned various institutions, many being Lefebvre derivatives. Having made this fatal accommodation, these bodies will never openly criticise the company they will be keeping in their new home. They may even become its most loyal supporters; having changed a lot, they will keep on changing!
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Trad-ism has always been a convenient facility whereby Catholics can carry the culture into the modern world. There seemed to be little concern shown just before V2 for those diligently maintaining religious practices yet being at the centre of contemporary life and its very progressive outlook. We must say that the changes that were to come were ways to resolve this leading of double lives after the reformers won the day. I believe a lot of 50ism continued within the SSPX and I observed so many of its influential lay supporters were enjoying their secular way of life without seeing the obvious inconsistencies. This rather vague assertion of traditionalism owes its continuing existence to cultural conditioning adjusting to the present through a process of slow hybridisation. And this process has spawned various institutions, many being Lefebvre derivatives. Having made this fatal accommodation, these bodies will never openly criticise the company they will be keeping in their new home. They may even become its most loyal supporters; having changed a lot, they will keep on changing!
If the faithful can be kept milling about on the liturgical feed lots for an indefinite period, they will continue to be absorbed and to absorb the changing environment which surrounds them. Neo-Tradition has been morphed considerably since the council according to this strategy.
" I must have my Mass" no matter the cost is a new religious materialism. The Mideaval religiously organic life has disappeared in favor of a Sunday kind of love for the Religion with the security of visionary prophets which will clear everything up all that is disquieting, at some future time.
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Even those in the Indult scene here in Ireland feel their message is falling on deaf ears. The message is very simple in the fight against abortion here. Catholicism has to stay out of the campaign or certainly be played down. I would have to agree with those in the Indult camp that say the battle will be lost if the faith is left out.
I have always had the opposite effect. People may not agree with you but will know where you stand.
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what has the indult got to do with anything, they went along to get along, look where that got them.
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JPaul said:
"If the faithful can be kept milling about on the liturgical feed lots for an indefinite period,
they will continue to be absorbed and to absorb the changing environment which surrounds them."
(http://www.geekosystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Cows.jpg)
"Hey Bill... what's all the worry about this dogma stuff anyway?
Can't we be a little more practical about it?"
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We have a pope who spews heresy daily. He supports the gαy perverts. Where is the SSPX in all this? They should be from the rooftops screaming against him.
You may have overlooked this pertinent post in another thread:
http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=42592&min=6&num=3
J.Paul
SSPX is obviously already with the modernist Roman enterprise in spirit if not in fact. These statements are just details being worked out. The Faithful will all wake up one day and will have become Novus Ordo indult catholics overnight who will be in canonical submission to the conciliar doctrines and errors and heretical popes such as Francis.
That sums it up well. I think it should be noted that the Church of Bishop Fellay and the Cathedral of Francis are not that far apart when it comes to theo-political issues. The Neo-SSPX wants a politically correct version of Tradition and also seems to support open borders. Having gone soft on the (((tribe))) they are now weak on the Mohammedans as well.
For instance, back in April, Fr. Bouchacourt, requested that the daily prayer of the Angelus be offered for the conversion of Muslims. More recently, at the Angelus Conference, the Neo-SSPX put a piece up on its website titled "Practical Advice for Converting Muslims." These things may sound nice and pious, but at the current time they reveal (as a most charitable conclsuion) a gross lack of wisdom. What we should be praying for is the reconversion of Europe and the West! If Christendom could not convert that many Muslims when at her peak, she is sure not going to convert them now when she is weakest and but a remnant.
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Our Blessed Lady said that the errors of Russia will spread, globally. Bolshevik communism.
She did say that at Fatima and Garabandal. I now take it to mean the spread of Communitarianism, and Communitarian Law, which is global legislation coming out of the courts of Brussels.
Communitarian Law and European Community Law : Individual & National Sovereignty versus the Collective Good, by Niki Raapana, April 2003. Revised March 21, 2006.
http://nord.twu.net/acl/research/commlaw.html
This is also part of UN Agenda 21.
Pope Francis: "Non-Christians, by God’s gracious initiative, when they are faithful to their own consciences, can live “justified by the grace of God”,[199] and thus be “associated to the paschal mystery of Jesus Christ”.[200] But due to the sacramental dimension of sanctifying grace, God’s working in them tends to produce signs and rites, sacred expressions which in turn bring others to a communitarian experience of journeying towards God.[201] While these lack the meaning and efficacy of the sacraments instituted by Christ, they can be channels which the Holy Spirit raises up in order to liberate non-Christians from atheistic immanentism or from purely individual religious experiences. The same Spirit everywhere brings forth various forms of practical wisdom which help people to bear suffering and to live in greater peace and harmony. As Christians, we can also benefit from these treasures built up over many centuries, which can help us better to live our own beliefs."
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Our Blessed Lady said that the errors of Russia will spread, globally. Bolshevik communism.
She did say that at Fatima and Garabandal. I now take it to mean the spread of Communitarianism, and Communitarian Law, which is global legislation coming out of the courts of Brussels.
Communitarian Law and European Community Law : Individual & National Sovereignty versus the Collective Good, by Niki Raapana, April 2003. Revised March 21, 2006.
http://nord.twu.net/acl/research/commlaw.html
This is also part of UN Agenda 21.
Pope Francis: "Non-Christians, by God’s gracious initiative, when they are faithful to their own consciences, can live “justified by the grace of God”,[199] and thus be “associated to the paschal mystery of Jesus Christ”.[200] But due to the sacramental dimension of sanctifying grace, God’s working in them tends to produce signs and rites, sacred expressions which in turn bring others to a communitarian experience of journeying towards God.[201] While these lack the meaning and efficacy of the sacraments instituted by Christ, they can be channels which the Holy Spirit raises up in order to liberate non-Christians from atheistic immanentism or from purely individual religious experiences. The same Spirit everywhere brings forth various forms of practical wisdom which help people to bear suffering and to live in greater peace and harmony. As Christians, we can also benefit from these treasures built up over many centuries, which can help us better to live our own beliefs."
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Our Blessed Lady said that the errors of Russia will spread, globally. Bolshevik communism.
She did say that at Fatima and Garabandal. I now take it to mean the spread of Communitarianism, and Communitarian Law, which is global legislation coming out of the courts of Brussels.
Bolshevikism, Communism, and what you call Communitarianism are one and the same, the errors of Russia. It is all one. Bolshevism, Stalin Bolshevism does not remain static or nobody would follow it, it has to keep morphing. It is here in the USA since the 1960's. Abortion, free love, women living in fornication, adultery, young people being mirror images of their parents, aberrosɛҳuąƖisms......
There is no difference between the Russian government today and the USA government, we can't as Americans and Russians trust either one.
P.S.- Thanks for the Pope Francis UN quote, I had never seen it before.
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Yep! Communism has been in the USA for a long time. In 1940, Fr. Leblanc Or Our Lady of the Sun, AZ ran across a book with onion skin over a picture and showed it to me. The picture was priest facing people known as the change of the mass. I just can't recall if it was in Missouri or Minnesota.
And Our For Fathers(no saints) were Freemasons. Sounds like a great start for communism. I don't think that the USA knows, that without the Precious Blood, on our altars, we are in the hands of the devil!
You can listen to all the radio talk shows, but what is the solution? Well, I don't hear about the Precious Blood!
Know your prophecies. Chapter 12 of Daniel is just one.
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Trad-ism has always been a convenient facility whereby Catholics can carry the culture into the modern world. There seemed to be little concern shown just before V2 for those diligently maintaining religious practices yet being at the centre of contemporary life and its very progressive outlook. We must say that the changes that were to come were ways to resolve this leading of double lives after the reformers won the day. I believe a lot of 50ism continued within the SSPX and I observed so many of its influential lay supporters were enjoying their secular way of life without seeing the obvious inconsistencies. This rather vague assertion of traditionalism owes its continuing existence to cultural conditioning adjusting to the present through a process of slow hybridisation. And this process has spawned various institutions, many being Lefebvre derivatives. Having made this fatal accommodation, these bodies will never openly criticise the company they will be keeping in their new home. They may even become its most loyal supporters; having changed a lot, they will keep on changing!
If the faithful can be kept milling about on the liturgical feed lots for an indefinite period, they will continue to be absorbed and to absorb the changing environment which surrounds them. Neo-Tradition has been morphed considerably since the council according to this strategy.
" I must have my Mass" no matter the cost is a new religious materialism. The Mideaval religiously organic life has disappeared in favor of a Sunday kind of love for the Religion with the security of visionary prophets which will clear everything up all that is disquieting, at some future time.
Keeping the old Mass was the initial rallying cry of the resistance to the reforms. And it could resonate among even non-Catholics with an interest in preserving a culture. The Agatha Christie indult, for example, was the outcome of such an outcry but it showed how the cause of traditionalism was going to be distorted and turned into a football to kick around by various discordant groups. If there is anything that most so-called trads have in common these days it is not wishing to look beyond the Mass. Thus, a totem has been created which although having its roots in the pre-V2 Sunday-ism mentioned above has grown into a liturgically-based sect which may one day fit neatly into the conciliar programme as it progresses. I am sure current Menzingen thought would be in this direction; if only they could be let loose in Rome!