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Traditional Catholic Faith => SSPX Resistance News => Topic started by: Incredulous on October 21, 2012, 01:40:22 AM
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I'm not buying the "personal reasons" excuse for the forum shut down.
It has to be pressure from the neoSSPX.
If Patricius was exercising his moderator authority as Matthew does, people like
Dawn Marie would be banned and left to post on her local dating forum.
In fact, IA is troll-friendly territory.
In some aspects, IA was a "facilitator" for Menzingen. Do you remember in May 2012, when the moderators shut the whole forum down, after Bp. Fellay swallowed his foot in the CNS video ?
Clare, with her pious "throbbing heart", came on CI and gave us the "PR-spin".
It didn't matter because that was a turning-point for IA.
The truth was out and from then on, member posts became increasingly unsupportive of + Fellay.
IA served a function for Menzingen, but after public opinion turned against them, it became a liability and ineffective as a "trad information clearing-house".
Trad information clearing-house ?
Yes. Consider that if Menzingen, had a "paid facilitator" inside IA, they could control "the spin" while collecting information on the opposition.
This is the classic elder brother MO.
Infiltration and takeover is what happened to the formerly conservative Catholic EWTN media outlet.
Consider, that moderator Clare with her dumb blonde, Catholic home Mom schtik, had a liberal agenda and fended for the tribe or anyone sympathetic to them.
Case in point: IA member Ashmolean ran wild on the forum for almost a year with moderator approval. He was effective at derailing anti-Fellay topics by aggressive confrontations or with lengthy blatherings. Yet, even as of last week, Clare endorsed Ashmolean to me as a "versatile poster". Baloney!
It was only after Ashmolean was discovered being a reference in the zionist Searchlight magazine's claim that +W represented the "nαzι-side" of the SSPX... that he vanished from IA. (*See below)
(Clare confirmed last week that he was never banned from IA).
I was privately advised by a UK IA member, that Ashmolean was actively seeking meetings with forum members who were pro-Williamson, for the purpose of identifying them.
So, Ashmo was on a mission from Menzingen.
He acted as a Krah-network mole, but fortunately, his identity was exposed.
So, the shut-down of IA, one of the biggest trad forums, is certainly a loss for the remnant, but if it remained "Menzingen compromised", it can go ahead and die.
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Excerpt and link from Searchlight's article:
Fascists join Catholic Traditionalist at London Conference
* Some SSPX members are concerned at these (nαzι) political links, especially as Bishop Williamson associates with non-Catholics in the h0Ɩ0cαųst denial movement, such as David Irving and Michèle Renouf. Among these critics is Blaise Compton, a well known composer and musicologist who attended the north London conference and whose father was a prominent Catholic journalist. Compton shares the fears of the SSPX leadership that a media spotlight on blatant antisemitism will scupper any chance of reuniting with Rome
http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/archive/fascists-join-catholic-traditionalists-at-london-conference
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I'm not buying the "personal reasons" excuse for the forum shut down.
It has to be pressure from the neoSSPX.
If Patricius was exercising his moderator authority as Matthew does, people like
Dawn Marie would be banned and left to post on her local dating forum.
In fact, IA is troll-friendly territory.
In some aspects, IA was a "facilitator" for Menzingen. Do you remember in May 2012, when the moderators shut the whole forum down, after Bp. Fellay swallowed his foot in the CNS video ?
Clare, with her pious "throbbing heart", came on CI and gave us the "PR-spin".
It didn't matter because that was a turning-point for IA.
The truth was out and from then on, member posts became increasingly unsupportive of + Fellay.
IA served a function for Menzingen, but after public opinion turned against them, it became a liability and ineffective as a "trad information clearing-house".
Trad information clearing-house ?
Yes. Consider that if Menzingen, had a "paid facilitator" inside IA, they could control "the spin" while collecting information on the opposition.
This is the classic elder brother MO.
Infiltration and takeover is what happened to the formerly conservative Catholic EWTN media outlet.
Consider, that moderator Clare with her dumb blonde, Catholic home Mom schtik, had a liberal agenda and fended for the tribe or anyone sympathetic to them.
Case in point: IA member Ashmolean ran wild on the forum for almost a year with moderator approval. He was effective at derailing anti-Fellay topics by aggressive confrontations or with lengthy blatherings. Yet, even as of last week, Clare endorsed Ashmolean to me as a "versatile poster". Baloney!
It was only after Ashmolean was discovered being a reference in the zionist Searchlight magazine's claim that +W represented the "nαzι-side" of the SSPX... that he vanished from IA. (*See below)
(Clare confirmed last week that he was never banned from IA).
I was privately advised by a UK IA member, that Ashmolean was actively seeking meetings with forum members who were pro-Williamson, for the purpose of identifying them.
So, Ashmo was on a mission from Menzingen.
He acted as a Krah-network mole, but fortunately, his identity was exposed.
So, the shut-down of IA, one of the biggest trad forums, is certainly a loss for the remnant, but if it remained "Menzingen compromised", it can go ahead and die.
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Excerpt and link from Searchlight's article:
Fascists join Catholic Traditionalist at London Conference
* Some SSPX members are concerned at these (nαzι) political links, especially as Bishop Williamson associates with non-Catholics in the h0Ɩ0cαųst denial movement, such as David Irving and Michèle Renouf. Among these critics is Blaise Compton, a well known composer and musicologist who attended the north London conference and whose father was a prominent Catholic journalist. Compton shares the fears of the SSPX leadership that a media spotlight on blatant antisemitism will scupper any chance of reuniting with Rome
http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/archive/fascists-join-catholic-traditionalists-at-london-conference
I can't be bothered to try and edit your post down, Incredible, the Infallible Inquisitor.
If it wasn't for you and your mates that zoomed in to heckle down anyone that said anything that didn't suit your agenda (just like B'nai B'rith does) the rest of us could still be having Catholicky chats in IA.
Whoever is paying you to cause dissention and fear among ordinary Catholics is getting their money's worth.
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IA is done. Amen.
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Old,
You soft, kosher Fellayite.
Thank you for posting your minimalist IA shut-down conspiracy theory.
In summary, IA shut-down because Incredulous, a paid +Williamson infiltrator
raided IA and spread dirty rumors.
Poor Bp. Fellay had to pull the plug on IA, because too many SSPX faithful
believed him.
Man, you've been on the sheep farm too long.
Even my 15 year son has more imagination than that.
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Good riddance to ʝʊdɛօ-Zionist rubbish.
Expect more infiltrators here.
For posterity someone should save the Judaica Ardens "favorite animal thread" photo of the sheep and sheep droppings in OldDrunk's living room.
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I'm not buying the "personal reasons" excuse for the forum shut down.
It has to be pressure from the neoSSPX.
If Patricius was exercising his moderator authority as Matthew does, people like
Dawn Marie would be banned and left to post on her local dating forum.
In fact, IA is troll-friendly territory.
In some aspects, IA was a "facilitator" for Menzingen. Do you remember in May 2012, when the moderators shut the whole forum down, after Bp. Fellay swallowed his foot in the CNS video ?
Clare, with her pious "throbbing heart", came on CI and gave us the "PR-spin".
It didn't matter because that was a turning-point for IA.
The truth was out and from then on, member posts became increasingly unsupportive of + Fellay.
IA served a function for Menzingen, but after public opinion turned against them, it became a liability and ineffective as a "trad information clearing-house".
Trad information clearing-house ?
Yes. Consider that if Menzingen, had a "paid facilitator" inside IA, they could control "the spin" while collecting information on the opposition.
This is the classic elder brother MO.
Infiltration and takeover is what happened to the formerly conservative Catholic EWTN media outlet.
Consider, that moderator Clare with her dumb blonde, Catholic home Mom schtik, had a liberal agenda and fended for the tribe or anyone sympathetic to them.
Case in point: IA member Ashmolean ran wild on the forum for almost a year with moderator approval. He was effective at derailing anti-Fellay topics by aggressive confrontations or with lengthy blatherings. Yet, even as of last week, Clare endorsed Ashmolean to me as a "versatile poster". Baloney!
It was only after Ashmolean was discovered being a reference in the zionist Searchlight magazine's claim that +W represented the "nαzι-side" of the SSPX... that he vanished from IA. (*See below)
(Clare confirmed last week that he was never banned from IA).
I was privately advised by a UK IA member, that Ashmolean was actively seeking meetings with forum members who were pro-Williamson, for the purpose of identifying them.
So, Ashmo was on a mission from Menzingen.
He acted as a Krah-network mole, but fortunately, his identity was exposed.
So, the shut-down of IA, one of the biggest trad forums, is certainly a loss for the remnant, but if it remained "Menzingen compromised", it can go ahead and die.
__________________________________________________________________
Excerpt and link from Searchlight's article:
Fascists join Catholic Traditionalist at London Conference
* Some SSPX members are concerned at these (nαzι) political links, especially as Bishop Williamson associates with non-Catholics in the h0Ɩ0cαųst denial movement, such as David Irving and Michèle Renouf. Among these critics is Blaise Compton, a well known composer and musicologist who attended the north London conference and whose father was a prominent Catholic journalist. Compton shares the fears of the SSPX leadership that a media spotlight on blatant antisemitism will scupper any chance of reuniting with Rome
http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/archive/fascists-join-catholic-traditionalists-at-london-conference
OMG! That 'Sonia Gable' (not her real name, you can be absolutely sure!) has
got a way with words, eh? What Midrash school did she attend?? HAHAHHAHAA
And this is just too rich .............. :roll-laugh1:
(http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/images/stories/2012-01-fascists-join-catholic-traditionalists-02.jpg)
Caption reads (you can't make this stuff up!):
"Convicted h0Ɩ0cαųst denier Bishop Richard Williamson, conference guest speaker."
Thank you so much, Incredulous, for your most educational link. Excuse me while
I use my airline flight salvaged barf bag............ :roll-laugh2:
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(http://www.searchlightmagazine.com/images/stories/2012-01-fascists-join-catholic-traditionalists-02.jpg)
Caption reads (you can't make this stuff up!):
"Convicted h0Ɩ0cαųst denier Bishop Richard Williamson, conference guest speaker."
Thank you so much, Incredulous, for your most educational link. Excuse me while
I use my airline flight salvaged barf bag............ :roll-laugh2:
Who would think Patricius was using a Bishop Williamson avatar? :jester:
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Your use of this forum to bash Patricius and other members of IA implies who you really are.
Your mudslinging is disgusting. Hopefully what happened there to you will happen here to you.
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Elmer
Gantry Fudd, your use of this forum to bash the esteemed and earned Cathinfo member Incredulous and other members of CI who agree with him (see up-votes) implies who you really are: Elmer!
Your mudslinging is very, well, muddy. Hopefully what you wished to happen here what happened there to him will not happen here to you even if you deserved to happen here what you wished to happen here what happened there to him...
Incredulous & friends, thank you for your brave thread and posts! You American anti-liberal Catholics show us liberalised Europeans and in particular the super-liberalised British the way what's concerning militant anti-liberal Christianity. God bless you all. For a non-liberal true Catholic future!
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Old,
You soft, kosher Fellayite.
Thank you for posting your minimalist IA shut-down conspiracy theory.
In summary, IA shut-down because Incredulous, a paid +Williamson infiltrator
raided IA and spread dirty rumors.
Poor Bp. Fellay had to pull the plug on IA, because too many SSPX faithful
believed him.
Man, you've been on the sheep farm too long.
Even my 15 year son has more imagination than that.
Bishop Williamson has a paid inflitrator? Do you have any actual proof of that?
I am not a fan of His Excellency, but I am sure he has lots of actual bishop stuff to do. If the state of the trad world is such that bishops are paying infiltrators to take over internet forums, it is doomed, and should be.
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You mean people can actually be paid money for being a horse's butt on the internet? And all this time I've been doing it for free... :roll-laugh2:
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Incredulous pushed the right buttons to keep IA alive. lol.
We have people hinging their decisions on our words here.
:soapbox:
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We have people hinging their decisions on our words here.
:soapbox:
It's intrinsically for liberals to change their minds on a daily basis (or faster when needed). Because in reality they just can't make up their minds. Only exception is their deep aversion against anti-liberalism. See here:
There's much more than that, NeelyAnn. Oldavid has been attacked on there [=Cathinfo], incessantly. Clare has been attacked on there at times, and even recently, as have I. When some of IA members went over to defend IA, Matthew promptly banned most of them, and allowed the sick and disgusting unCatholic posts of the likes of Credo/John Grace, Ethelred and Diego continue, and they do so to this day.
Strong words for a liberal like Patricius who's 2+2=5 motto is: "We support all four (SSPX) bishops"...
At least he puts us up against his liberal wall together: Incredulous, Diego, John and me. We should now establish a transatlantic anti-liberal group of regulars for coffee and rolls. And with English tee please. And of course with Salzburger Nockerln (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salzburger_Nockerl).
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Hopefully what you wished to happen here what happened there to him will not happen here to you even if you deserved to happen here what you wished to happen here what happened there to him...
As the British say, or used to in my day, You're a real hoot, Ethel.
:roll-laugh1:
For a non-liberal true Catholic future!
Bottom's up! :alcohol:
We should now establish a transatlantic anti-liberal group of regulars for coffee and rolls. And with English tee please. And of course with Salzburger Nockerln.
I know I don't quite make the grade of you heavies, but I feel left out, here in the antipodes. Think I'll go and take some comfort in Salzburger Nockerln.
:rolleyes:
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Elmer Gantry Fudd, your use of this forum to bash the esteemed and earned Cathinfo member Incredulous and other members of CI who agree with him (see up-votes) implies who you really are: Elmer!
Your mudslinging is very, well, muddy. Hopefully what you wished to happen here what happened there to him will not happen here to you even if you deserved to happen here what you wished to happen here what happened there to him...
Incredulous & friends, thank you for your brave thread and posts! You American anti-liberal Catholics show us liberalised Europeans and in particular the super-liberalised British the way what's concerning militant anti-liberal Christianity. God bless you all. For a non-liberal true Catholic future!
Ethel Fred (from the I love Lucy Show) not here to win a popularity contest, are you?
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Consider, that moderator Clare with her dumb blonde, Catholic home Mom schtik
I think that's a bit out of line.
I disagree with Clare and Patricius on a number of things, and the beliefs of CatholicInfo are certainly more in-line with my beliefs than IA's are. But I think you're out of line here, Incredulous. Clare is one of the nicest people I've ever met since I began posting on Trad forums, and while she may not be right about everything, she's no dumb blonde.
As for Patricius, the poor guy just had a nervous breakdown, let's cut him some slack. Yes, he's made some mistakes along the way, but none of us are perfect. And to give credit where credit is due, he did finally stand up to Bishop Fellay and Menzingen.
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Whilst I do dislike him, we should pray for him.
As for Patricius, the poor guy just had a nervous breakdown, let's cut him some slack
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You mean people can actually be paid money for being a horse's butt on the internet? And all this time I've been doing it for free... :roll-laugh2:
:laugh1: :laugh1: :laugh1:
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We have people hinging their decisions on our words here.
:soapbox:
It's intrinsically for liberals to change their minds on a daily basis (or faster when needed). Because in reality they just can't make up their minds. Only exception is their deep aversion against anti-liberalism. See here:
There's much more than that, NeelyAnn. Oldavid has been attacked on there [=Cathinfo], incessantly. Clare has been attacked on there at times, and even recently, as have I. When some of IA members went over to defend IA, Matthew promptly banned most of them, and allowed the sick and disgusting unCatholic posts of the likes of Credo/John Grace, Ethelred and Diego continue, and they do so to this day.
Strong words for a liberal like Patricius who's 2+2=5 motto is: "We support all four (SSPX) bishops"...
At least he puts us up against his liberal wall together: Incredulous, Diego, John and me. We should now establish a transatlantic anti-liberal group of regulars for coffee and rolls. And with English tee please. And of course with Salzburger Nockerln (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salzburger_Nockerl).
I noticed how Patricius never mentions how I did rebuke Diego for calling IA 'Judaica Ardens' or the times I actually wrote against Clare been attacked.I also discussed it offline but I'm afraid, the days of defending them are over.
I thought with the exception of one or two, most on IA are solid on the Jews.
I won't have a bad word said against Ethelred. I believe Clare was correct about not taking the forum too seriously.
The moderating staff at IA are being a bit disingenuous.It's pointless engaging with them.
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This is so pathetic!
So now Mr. Patricius is all upset with Incred's criticism and is once again not keeping his word, uh?
I understand +Fellay has left the guy devastated, just like he's done with many of us, but have at least the sobriety and humility to admit you can't handle it.
Turn it over, if necessary, conditionally; but stop acting like a teenager girl who says everything and anything just to contradict herself within 48 hours in most of the occasions.
Just get over it.
I can't help it to compare this two scenarios:
Scenario 1
"The doctrinal discutions will be held through written correspondence" and then
"I'm inside the vatican eating their peanuts and cashews and discussing doctrine in person".
"It is the Pope who wants it. They want us as we are", and then "I've been deceived by the Pope".
"I'll deny sacraments for those who criticize me or the deal with Rome" and then "Nothing has been signed, back to square one."
"Ultimatum is issued to +Williamson" and then "back to square one again".
Scenario 2
"Perfectly happy with my horrific avatar of smiley +Fellay" and then "I start to suspect the things being said might not be rumors after all".
"Perfectly happy to shut my site down for a "retreat" preceding the GC as they requested" and then "he realizes that this is still not enough to appease Menzingen."
"+Fellay turns up the heat and threats to withhold Communion" and then "Patricius is p*** off with +Fellay and proclaims he'll refuse him to his face."
"He changes his smiley Fellay avatar to one of Archbishop" and then "bring back all the troll-accordistas that has been kicked out".
"I'm going to shut IA down because we're producing even visionaries now" and then "he won't shut down, won't get rid of the self-proclaimed mystic but will kick Incred out; just so people can know he is the man". How charming.
Bottom line, he's doing a heck of a job imitating the Stalin of Menzingen and the expulsion of Incred only proves this incredible resemblance.
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You mean people can actually be paid money for being a horse's butt on the internet? And all this time I've been doing it for free... :roll-laugh2:
:smile:
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Consider, that moderator Clare with her dumb blonde, Catholic home Mom schtik
I think that's a bit out of line.
I disagree with Clare and Patricius on a number of things, and the beliefs of CatholicInfo are certainly more in-line with my beliefs than IA's are. But I think you're out of line here, Incredulous. Clare is one of the nicest people I've ever met since I began posting on Trad forums, and while she may not be right about everything, she's no dumb blonde.
As for Patricius, the poor guy just had a nervous breakdown, let's cut him some slack. Yes, he's made some mistakes along the way, but none of us are perfect. And to give credit where credit is due, he did finally stand up to Bishop Fellay and Menzingen.
Indeed!
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Chronology:
1) Patricius is going to take IA offline, bowing to pressure from Menzingen.
2)Patricius brings Ia back online a couple weeks later
3) A couple months later, Patricius says he doesn't want to run IA anymore, and all his moderators are forced to flee.
4) Patricius announces again his intent to take IA offline.
5) 2 days later Patricius is NOT going to take IA offline.
6)Today, Patricius posts more than he has posted on any topic in the last year, in order to run Bishop Williamson into the ground for his latest EC on the Poem.
7) Could it be that Menzingen didn't want the bad PR, and told Patricius to keep IA online after all, but to just do his best to let the accordista trolls run wild, and be sure to run Bishop Williamson into the ground?
8) IA is now a tool of Menzingen.
9) Patricius has shown himself to be remarkably elastic on policy when Menzingen reaches out to him, so there is no doubt in my mind that his erratic moderating is the result of outside influences.
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I was privately advised by a UK IA member, that Ashmolean [on IA] was actively seeking meetings with forum members who were pro-Williamson, for the purpose of identifying them.
No surprise here, because that's the way of the anti-Christian Jews and their lackeys. And indeed the liberal Clare covered and backed up the ugly Judaizer Ashmolean for years on IA. And he's just the English equivalent of the ugly East-German Judaizer Max Krah, as some of you (like Telesphorus) already pointed out.
Krah? Now who's that? Never heard. But he got a really nice tie and cool hair! And sweet kids. And a nice Facebook page. Well, let's be nice to him then. Yes, let's all be nice. And let's also be nice to those liberal Catholics covering the Krahs and Ashmoleans. Because they're nice, too. All we need is luv, luv, luv. And you bad boys Incredulous & Diego & Co: Do not disturb our niceness circles!
In reality however those liberal Catholics who cover the Ashmolean and Krah Judaizers, cover the oldest enemies of Our Lord Jesus Christus, and so these fools indirectly work for the enemies of Our Lord amid the Catholic traditionalism.
If they do so intentionally or not, the objective result is the same disaster.
In the late year 2009, Max Krah identified the administration of the only German-speaking traditional Catholic forum named Kreuzforum, which out on a limb supported Bishop Williamson for years, in particular in 2009. Krah reported their postings to Menzingen/Stuttgart, Fr. Schmidberger then called the Austrian forum administration and threatened them with expulsion from the SSPX chapels. Shortly afterwards the forum disappeared entirely. End of layfolk resistance in the German speaking Internet. I came, I saw, I run away.
Nadir, thank you. At least some got my foreign-language-endeavour on (? in?) humour. Then it was not for nothing.
Yes, Elmer Fudd, you've got me there. We really try to emulate our paragons, don't we?
And all these things are being said about me! I just love the attention!
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Old,
You soft, kosher Fellayite.
Thank you for posting your minimalist IA shut-down conspiracy theory.
In summary, IA shut-down because Incredulous, a paid +Williamson infiltrator
raided IA and spread dirty rumors.
Poor Bp. Fellay had to pull the plug on IA, because too many SSPX faithful
believed him.
Man, you've been on the sheep farm too long.
Even my 15 year son has more imagination than that.
Bishop Williamson has a paid inflitrator? Do you have any actual proof of that?
I am not a fan of His Excellency, but I am sure he has lots of actual bishop stuff to do. If the state of the trad world is such that bishops are paying infiltrators to take over internet forums, it is doomed, and should be.
Sigismund,
The "+W paid infiltrator" is Old's accusation.
If you re-read my post, I was summarizing his previous post.
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Consider, that moderator Clare with her dumb blonde, Catholic home Mom schtik
I think that's a bit out of line.
I disagree with Clare and Patricius on a number of things, and the beliefs of CatholicInfo are certainly more in-line with my beliefs than IA's are. But I think you're out of line here, Incredulous. Clare is one of the nicest people I've ever met since I began posting on Trad forums, and while she may not be right about everything, she's no dumb blonde.
As for Patricius, the poor guy just had a nervous breakdown, let's cut him some slack. Yes, he's made some mistakes along the way, but none of us are perfect. And to give credit where credit is due, he did finally stand up to Bishop Fellay and Menzingen.
SpiritusSanctus,
Acknowledge your point, but Clare calls herself a "dumb blonde".
Its part of her internet persona.
I would certainly expect Clare to be nice.
A pleasant, conversationalist is a basic requirement for a forum facilitator.
With 28,000 post, she's surely refined her style.
Let me ask... have you positively identified the moderator "Clare" ?
If not, how do you know that Clare isn't an alias for someone like:
Gloria Silverfarb?
(http://azJєωιѕнpost.com/files/haredi-female.jpg)
My critiicism were based on her comments and actions directly observed while I was on Ignsis Ardens. There are several IA members who know of her cover-up antics, several of them were kicked off the forum, for some of the most interesting reasons. But not because they were trolls.
As for Patricius, I may not agree with his views, but I have no beef, other than his troll-control policy.
Since we know Menzingen is infiltrated, we should have zero-tolerance
for tribe trolls and their allies on Catholic forums.
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We have people hinging their decisions on our words here.
:soapbox:
It's intrinsically for liberals to change their minds on a daily basis (or faster when needed). Because in reality they just can't make up their minds. Only exception is their deep aversion against anti-liberalism. See here:
There's much more than that, NeelyAnn. Oldavid has been attacked on there [=Cathinfo], incessantly. Clare has been attacked on there at times, and even recently, as have I. When some of IA members went over to defend IA, Matthew promptly banned most of them, and allowed the sick and disgusting unCatholic posts of the likes of Credo/John Grace, Ethelred and Diego continue, and they do so to this day.
Strong words for a liberal like Patricius who's 2+2=5 motto is: "We support all four (SSPX) bishops"...
At least he puts us up against his liberal wall together: Incredulous, Diego, John and me. We should now establish a transatlantic anti-liberal group of regulars for coffee and rolls. And with English tee please. And of course with Salzburger Nockerln (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salzburger_Nockerl).
Thank you for your post Ethelred... but the delicious food links always make me hungry.
Yummm... Salzburger Nockerin looks so good!
I hope my wife will try making some?
:ready-to-eat:
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Consider, that moderator Clare with her dumb blonde, Catholic home Mom schtik
I think that's a bit out of line.
I disagree with Clare and Patricius on a number of things, and the beliefs of CatholicInfo are certainly more in-line with my beliefs than IA's are. But I think you're out of line here, Incredulous. Clare is one of the nicest people I've ever met since I began posting on Trad forums, and while she may not be right about everything, she's no dumb blonde.
As for Patricius, the poor guy just had a nervous breakdown, let's cut him some slack. Yes, he's made some mistakes along the way, but none of us are perfect. And to give credit where credit is due, he did finally stand up to Bishop Fellay and Menzingen.
SpiritusSanctus,
Acknowledge your point, but Clare calls herself a "dumb blonde".
Its part of her internet persona.
I would certainly expect Clare to be nice.
A pleasant, conversationalist is a basic requirement for a forum facilitator.
With 28,000 post, she's surely refined her style.
Let me ask... have you positively identified the moderator "Clare" ?
If not, how do you know that Clare isn't an alias for someone like:
Gloria Silverfarb?
(http://azJєωιѕнpost.com/files/haredi-female.jpg)
My critiicism were based on her comments and actions directly observed while I was on Ignsis Ardens. There are several IA members who know of her cover-up antics, several of them were kicked off the forum, for some of the most interesting reasons. But not because they were trolls.
As for Patricius, I may not agree with his views, but I have no beef, other than his troll-control policy.
Since we know Menzingen is infiltrated, we should have zero-tolerance
for tribe trolls and their allies on Catholic forums.
How do I know Incredulous isn't really Shlomo Cohen?
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I noticed how Patricius never mentions how I did rebuke Diego for calling IA 'Judaica Ardens' or the times I actually wrote against Clare been attacked.I also discussed it offline but I'm afraid, the days of defending them are over.
I thought with the exception of one or two, most on IA are solid on the Jews....
If by solid, you mean solid in ensuring that the Judaizers have free rein while Catholics get timeouts and banned, yes, Judaica Ardens is solid—solid double-mindedness, solid brimstone.
At JA, GregJ touted тαℓмυd for Catholics, and, as Hollingsworth so amusingly put it, Blaise "Ashmolean" Compton and OldDrunk would "thrash about with extra energy" every time there was opportunity to promote the tribe or to tout the tribe's spotless victimhood. There were of course other tribal groupies; UniversityWomyn (ACS) comes to mind.
Unlike the Catholics, these Judaizers were never challenged or disciplined by the moderators. Clare is not innocent in these regards.
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Is this forum entirely dedicated to making Catholics, and Traditional Catholics in particular, appear a bunch of egomaniacal ignoramuses?
Any non-Catholic looking into this site to see for themselves what TradCat is about would be revolted and run a mile.
It seems to be a meeting place where emotionally undeveloped egomaniacs slap each other on the back by libelling abitrarily chosen victims.
Concerning this thread in particular, and since it is once again developing into a gratuitous slandering of people I have come to know, I can only profess my profound distain for the emotional and intellectual cripples who exude and tolerate this venom.
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...As for Patricius, the poor guy just had a nervous breakdown, ...
Sad to hear, but that explains the Judiaca Ardens affinity for and coddling of the assorted abusive misfits there. It also explains Patty's erratic behavior and his sole inviolable guide as moderator, his emotions.
Double-minded to the core.
Woe to them that are of a double heart and to wicked lips, and to the hands that do evil, and to the sinner that goeth on the earth two ways. –Ecclesiasticus 2:14
No man can serve two masters. For either he will hate the one, and love the other: or he will sustain the one, and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon. –Matthew 6:24
That with one mind, and with one mouth, you may glorify God and the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. –Romans 15:6
The double-minded man is inconstant in all his ways. -James 1:8
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Sad to hear, but that explains the Judiaca Ardens affinity for and coddling of the assorted abusive misfits there. It also explains Patty's erratic behavior and his sole inviolable guide as moderator, his emotions.
Double-minded to the core.
Regardless of how much you disagree with him, I think the guy deserves more sympathy than that.
Part of the reason I'm able to sympathize with him and Clare is because I've been a moderator before, and I'm guessing you haven't. I'd imagine the stress of running a forum played a significant role in his nervous breakdown, and believe me, running a forum is extremely stressful. And I only did it for about 5 months, Matthew and Patricius have both been doing it for more than 6 years. Imagine how stressful that must be.
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theres no call for unkindness, diego............ moron!
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...blah, blah, blah......blah, blah, blah....
You, on the other hand, have been a paragon of besotted Judaic virtue, an evangelist nonpareil, the deepest of non-Catholic free thinkers, thrashing about with extra energy to defend the spotless victimhood of the ѕуηαgσgυє.
You, my sorry interlocutor, have fallen into the Matthew 7:1-2 pit of your own making. You and your Judaizing confreres are being judged as you presumed to judge Catholics. We are not done... "it shall be measured to you again."
Put down that bottle!
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theres no call for unkindness, diego............ moron!
... I think the guy deserves more sympathy than that....
What part of "sad to hear" don't you understand?
That said, facts are facts. No need to let girlish sentimentality cloud your thinking. I have offered objective criticism (and a few nicknames) about the problems with the big frogs in the tiny Judaica Ardens pond. The perpetrators there have abused the Faith and they have abused and defamed good Catholics like Michael Hoffman and Robert Sungenis. Now the perpetrators are exempt from critical review? Hogwash. See Matthew 7:1-2. That is my warrant.
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Is this forum entirely dedicated to making Catholics, and Traditional Catholics in particular, appear a bunch of egomaniacal ignoramuses?
Any non-Catholic looking into this site to see for themselves what TradCat is about would be revolted and run a mile.
It seems to be a meeting place where emotionally undeveloped egomaniacs slap each other on the back by libelling abitrarily chosen victims.
Concerning this thread in particular, and since it is once again developing into a gratuitous slandering of people I have come to know, I can only profess my profound distain for the emotional and intellectual cripples who exude and tolerate this venom.
Old,
You know, Wessex is a good writer of concise, relevant posts.
Why don't you get a dictionary and try studying his style?
You can improve... I know it!
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What part of "sad to hear" don't you understand?
What I mean is, he deserves more sympathy than you continuing to insult him. As I said, since you've never been a moderator, you can't realize just how stressful it is to be one. I didn't realize it either until I became one.
No need to let girlish sentimentality cloud your thinking.
There's nothing "girlish" about my thinking.
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MiserereMDeus said:
How do I know Incredulous isn't really Shlomo Cohen?
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You don't.
However, I'm not a moderator, in control of a whole forum.
Moderators in control of this much information should be vetted and known.
Consider, if I was was Shlomo...
Diego and Ethelred would have sniffed me-out many moons ago.
These gentleman have noses for sayans similar to the the great German and American hunting breeds.
(http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images22/TreeingWalkerCoonhoundClarysHiSpeedThisBuds4U.jpg)
American Treeing Walker Coon-hound (Diego)
(http://www.sportingdogsaz.com/sdaz/images/german%20shorthaired%20pointer.jpg)
German short-hair pointer (Ethelred)
I'm just a student hound, learning to flush-out and bite sayans.
(http://www.petside.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fullsize_article/breeds/beagle.jpg)
American Beagle (Incred)
If you noticed, every time Patricius & Clare discover a hound on their forum, they ban them.
But the trolls and other established animals: sheep (Old), bulls, (Maragaret) and Irish setters (Justin) get to run wild on IA.
After a while... these creatures start to give the forum a disagreeable odor.
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(http://www.petside.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fullsize_article/breeds/beagle.jpg)
American Beagle (Incred)
Ypu can't fool me that easily. That's a photo of the American comic strip character Snoopy.
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What part of "sad to hear" don't you understand?
What I mean is, he deserves more sympathy than you continuing to insult him. As I said, since you've never been a moderator, you can't realize just how stressful it is to be one. I didn't realize it either until I became one.
No need to let girlish sentimentality cloud your thinking.
There's nothing "girlish" about my thinking.
I have made specific criticisms of Patty's specific actions. If that is an insult, he did it to himself.
Patty is the one who let GregJ go on and on for weeks with his STATED INTENT of "destroying" Hoffman's reputation.
Patty is the one who let GregJ go on about how тαℓмυd held worthy insights for Catholics regarding the Mass and the Faith.
Patty is the one who allowed the disgusting innuendo about Sungenis.
Patty is the one who let Blaise "Ashmolean" Compton and Old Drunk wax repeatedly about the spotless victimhood of the poor abused ѕуηαgσgυє.
Patty is the one who let Blaise "Ashmolean" Compton and Old Drunk abuse others.
Patty is the one who tolerated the repeated use of "nigger," "wog," and similar epithets.
Patty is the one who followed his personal pique to timeout and ban opponents of defamations and the critics of the тαℓмυd and ѕуηαgσgυє.
These are facts.
Yes, it is sad the guy has health problems. Who here is exempt from that? Yes, it is sad the guy has stress. Who here is exempt from that? If I weep even profusely, it changes nothing that Patty himself did. I see no exemption from stress and disease in Genesis for forum moderators.
The blood of the martyrs has frozen in the veins of Catholics.
Shall I weep now?
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Drongo,
You remain as a perfect example of emotional, intellectual, religious disfunction.
Mere character slurs are not an indication of anything but your defects.
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Drongo,
You remain as a perfect example of emotional, intellectual, religious disfunction.
Mere character slurs are not an indication of anything but your defects.
Oh man... this is embarassing.
He can't even type "D i e g o".
Does he usually drink at this time of day?
:facepalm:
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Consider, if I was was Shlomo...
Diego and Ethelred would have sniffed me-out many moons ago.
How do we know they're not Shlomo Cohens too? :scratchchin:
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Soon there will be enough invaders from Judaica Ardens to have some "wedding party fun" with Max and his Mossad buddies.
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Consider, if I was was Shlomo...
Diego and Ethelred would have sniffed me-out many moons ago.
Oh yes, we would have!
These gentleman have noses for sayans similar to the the great German and American hunting breeds.
Indeed. When Krah entered our Catholic territory for the first time, we sniffed instantly his sayan territory marking. This we sniff many meters against the wind!
Diego, I'm afraid to say that this "guy" just blew our cover... :
(http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/images22/TreeingWalkerCoonhoundClarysHiSpeedThisBuds4U.jpg)
American Treeing Walker Coon-hound (Diego)
(http://www.sportingdogsaz.com/sdaz/images/german%20shorthaired%20pointer.jpg)
German short-hair pointer (Ethelred)
And look, he's even smaller than us!
(http://www.petside.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/fullsize_article/breeds/beagle.jpg)
American Beagle (Incred)
No surprise he can claim to have a nice wife. Which female wouldn't love such a sweet little Hush Puppy (Basset Hound in reality).
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Drongo,
You remain as a perfect example of emotional, intellectual, religious disfunction.
Mere character slurs are not an indication of anything but your defects.
Oh man... this is embarassing.
He can't even type "D i e g o".
Does he usually drink at this time of day?
:facepalm:
Hee! Hee! Hee! :laugh1: :laugh2:
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Consider, if I was was Shlomo...
Diego and Ethelred would have sniffed me-out many moons ago.
How do we know they're not Shlomo Cohens too? :scratchchin:
Perhaps you could establish what Old David refers to
God help us! Spare us from these myopic loonies.
It's on a thread on IA regarding Father Joseph Pfeiffer.
On the thread Judith states.
No need for the word "loonies"
IA has gone to the bad for certain.
Then Old David states
Righto...
Cultmasters that say everything true but with spin... they want you to believe that they are the sole arbiters of what's good and true.
Where again it is necessary for Judith to make a comment. This will be brought to the attention of the good Fr Pfeiffer.
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How fortunate for CI that, unlike IA, everyone who posts here is a model of devout Catholicism. :fryingpan:
Now then, I have breaking news for anyone gullible enough to think that hounds who sniff the nether regions of anyone who doesn't agree with them in hopes of picking up a whiff of matzoh balls are on the right track. Real trolls, the undercover тαℓмυdic freemasonic nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr illuminato variety, the ones who do the real damage, aren't the softcore quasi-modernists who'd feel right at home curled up with a copy of the Remnant, or even the Tablet. Those are generally what are referred to as "useful idiots," and there is no shortage of them. A really effective agent provacateur, on the other hand, will be obsessed with discrediting Catholics in front of the world.
A real Catholic knows that he is morally obligated to love his enemy, while hating his enemy's sin. A real Catholic will pray for the conversion of the Jews. A real Catholic, due to his fallen human nature, will often fail in his attempts to live up to his moral obligations, but if he is of good will he at least tries.
An agent provacateur, on the other hand, will do his best to whip up hatred and provoke others to imitate him. The love of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ will get, at best, lip service from him, and that rarely. Instead, we see poison drip from his lips, poison which does not sanctify, and does not lead anyone to Christ.
There is a difference between exposing the lies of the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan and attacking less than perfect Catholics under the guise of discrediting those lies.
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The battery on my laptop ran down, and I had to pause in mid-post.
The one other point I wanted to make is that of course different infiltrators have different missions, and there will be those who pose as moderates as well. But not all who cry "Jew, Jew!!" are what they appear. If there are trolls on this forum, as of course there are, the likelihood is that given the tone and nature of this forum, unlike IA, those trolls are much more likely to be of the rabid variety.
What I've just said in these two posts is only common sense. I would take careful note of anyone who attacks me viciously for having posted it.
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Incidentally, I am not accusing Incredulous's "hounds" of being trolls, although I am not ruling them out, either. I merely found the metaphor of hound useful for making my point.
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MMD said:
How fortunate for CI that, unlike IA, everyone who posts here is a model of devout Catholicism. :fryingpan:
This sarcastic opener, is absurd... you're "clearing the path" for your "bad trad" argument.
No one the CI forum comes here claiming to be a devout Catholic model.
We are traditional Catholics interested in the future of our Faith (here on earth)
and in fighting for it.
Now then, I have breaking news for anyone gullible enough to think that hounds who sniff the nether regions of anyone who doesn't agree with them in hopes of picking up a whiff of matzoh balls are on the right track. Real trolls, the undercover тαℓмυdic freemasonic nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr illuminato variety, the ones who do the real damage, aren't the softcore quasi-modernists who'd feel right at home curled up with a copy of the Remnant, or even the Tablet. Those are generally what are referred to as "useful idiots," and there is no shortage of them. A really effective agent provacateur, on the other hand, will be obsessed with discrediting Catholics in front of the world.
You mean like Clare's darling, Ashmolean ?
He's an agent provacateur. If you disagree with this point, your definition collapses.
Not so dumb, "Useful idiots" as you call them, are gentile masons and ʝʊdɛօ-sayans. Do you agree?
Perhaps you haven't noticed it, but ʝʊdɛօ-ghost writers in the Catholic media
are ubiquitous. Let me give you one example: Roy Schuman. He's so interesting... he justifies a whole separate topic here on CI.
(Thank you for the inspiration!)
A real Catholic knows that he is morally obligated to love his enemy, while hating his enemy's sin. A real Catholic will pray for the conversion of the Jews. A real Catholic, due to his fallen human nature, will often fail in his attempts to live up to his moral obligations, but if he is of good will he at least tries.
Yes, we love "Mother Frump" and for the benefit of her soul, we pray that she stops covering-up for the tribe. And we also pray for the tribe, but then it is known from Scriptures, that they are the enemies of all men until the end of time.
An agent provacateur, on the other hand, will do his best to whip up hatred and provoke others to imitate him. The love of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ will get, at best, lip service from him, and that rarely. Instead, we see poison drip from his lips, poison which does not sanctify, and does not lead anyone to Christ.
Gee, "whip up the hatred"... sounds like a typical tribe propaganda line?
They are great for talking about "the hate"... "oh the hate"... "you are evil because you hate the homos"...etc.
We hound dogs don't hate anybody... we're Catholics "pointing" and saying, hey what's going on here, there are forum members consciously spinning for the tribe. And when we do so, we're thrown out of their forums.
Does your comment mean we hound doggies should be silent and let the judaized Fellayite trolls rome free on our Catholic forums ?
If so, me thinkest you a coward.
As Father Chazal has reminded us, we are at war my friend!
There is a difference between exposing the lies of the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan and attacking less than perfect Catholics under the guise of discrediting those lies.
We are all less than perfect.
No one wants to attack, but we will defend.
Tell me, do you think Oldavid should not be put in his place?
Or how about neoSSPX attack attorney, John MacFarland?
MMD, you are definitely not Irish...
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there are forum members consciously spinning for the tribe.
Yes, there are, and because of the systematic brainwashing that ignorant people, and apparently many educated people find impossible to shake off, even supposedly traditional Catholics who have all the writings of the saints, the awful scandal of Nostra Aetate and of judaizing heresy in the Novus Ordo, the words of the Archbishop, Catholic historians who explained what was happening with regards to anti-Christian conspiracy so that Vatican II can be understood historically - they have ALL OF THAT, and they'd rather be cleaning the shoes of Jews and saving their contempt for their fellow Catholics.
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The battery on my laptop ran down, and I had to pause in mid-post.
The one other point I wanted to make is that of course different infiltrators have different missions, and there will be those who pose as moderates as well. But not all who cry "Jew, Jew!!" are what they appear. If there are trolls on this forum, as of course there are, the likelihood is that given the tone and nature of this forum, unlike IA, those trolls are much more likely to be of the rabid variety.
What I've just said in these two posts is only common sense. I would take careful note of anyone who attacks me viciously for having posted it.
MMD has set the trap. We are forewarned.
Note: The vicious Beagle-hound, Incredulous, replied to him!
Alas... this must mean he's a hateful αnтι-ѕємιтє?
Hurry, let's switch over to Ignis ardens where the people are nice!
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Old,
You soft, kosher Fellayite.
Thank you for posting your minimalist IA shut-down conspiracy theory.
In summary, IA shut-down because Incredulous, a paid +Williamson infiltrator
raided IA and spread dirty rumors.
Poor Bp. Fellay had to pull the plug on IA, because too many SSPX faithful
believed him.
Man, you've been on the sheep farm too long.
Even my 15 year son has more imagination than that.
Bishop Williamson has a paid inflitrator? Do you have any actual proof of that?
I am not a fan of His Excellency, but I am sure he has lots of actual bishop stuff to do. If the state of the trad world is such that bishops are paying infiltrators to take over internet forums, it is doomed, and should be.
Sigismund,
The "+W paid infiltrator" is Old's accusation.
If you re-read my post, I was summarizing his previous post.
I see. My apologies.
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Am I mistaken or is this the second time IA shut-down, for a day or more,
during which time, some members (at least) thought it was gone for good,
and then all of a sudden it resumed operation as if nothing had happened?
Am I mistaken or is this the second time IA thus achieved a sort of purge,
by which posts that had become too commonplace and unwelcome were
purged, and therefore made to be much less frequent: as if the temporary
shut-down had been by design, even though it was ostensibly caused by a
mere coincidence or happenstance or outside factors beyond IA's control?