Author Topic: Ignis Ardens shut-down conspiracy theories (Read 9662 times)

ServusSpiritusSancti · « **Reply #15 on:** October 21, 2012, 05:14:23 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous

Consider, that moderator Clare with her dumb blonde, Catholic home Mom schtik

I think that's a bit out of line.

I disagree with Clare and Patricius on a number of things, and the beliefs of CatholicInfo are certainly more in-line with my beliefs than IA's are. But I think you're out of line here, Incredulous. Clare is one of the nicest people I've ever met since I began posting on Trad forums, and while she may not be right about everything, she's no dumb blonde.

As for Patricius, the poor guy just had a nervous breakdown, let's cut him some slack. Yes, he's made some mistakes along the way, but none of us are perfect. And to give credit where credit is due, he did finally stand up to Bishop Fellay and Menzingen.

John Grace · « **Reply #16 on:** October 21, 2012, 05:30:20 PM »

Whilst I do dislike him, we should pray for him.

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As for Patricius, the poor guy just had a nervous breakdown, let's cut him some slack

cantatedomino · « **Reply #17 on:** October 21, 2012, 05:30:20 PM »

Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant

You mean people can actually be paid money for being a horse's butt on the internet? And all this time I've been doing it for free... :roll-laugh2:

John Grace · « **Reply #18 on:** October 21, 2012, 05:51:07 PM »

Quote from: Ethelred

Quote from: Telesphorus
We have people hinging their decisions on our words here.

:soapbox:

It's intrinsically for liberals to change their minds on a daily basis (or faster when needed). Because in reality they just can't make up their minds. Only exception is their deep aversion against anti-liberalism. See here:

Quote from: Patricius on his liberal Monty Phyton forum this afternoon

There's much more than that, NeelyAnn. Oldavid has been attacked on there [=Cathinfo], incessantly. Clare has been attacked on there at times, and even recently, as have I. When some of IA members went over to defend IA, Matthew promptly banned most of them, and allowed the sick and disgusting unCatholic posts of the likes of Credo/John Grace, Ethelred and Diego continue, and they do so to this day.

Strong words for a liberal like Patricius who's 2+2=5 motto is: "We support all four (SSPX) bishops"...
At least he puts us up against his liberal wall together: Incredulous, Diego, John and me. We should now establish a transatlantic anti-liberal group of regulars for coffee and rolls. And with English tee please. And of course with Salzburger Nockerln.

I noticed how Patricius never mentions how I did rebuke Diego for calling IA 'Judaica Ardens' or the times I actually wrote against Clare been attacked.I also discussed it offline but I'm afraid, the days of defending them are over.

I thought with the exception of one or two, most on IA are solid on the Jєωs.

I won't have a bad word said against Ethelred. I believe Clare was correct about not taking the forum too seriously.

The moderating staff at IA are being a bit disingenuous.It's pointless engaging with them.

AntiFellayism · « **Reply #19 on:** October 21, 2012, 09:23:16 PM »

This is so pathetic!

So now Mr. Patricius is all upset with Incred's criticism and is once again not keeping his word, uh?

I understand +Fellay has left the guy devastated, just like he's done with many of us, but have at least the sobriety and humility to admit you can't handle it.

Turn it over, if necessary, conditionally; but stop acting like a teenager girl who says everything and anything just to contradict herself within 48 hours in most of the occasions.

Just get over it.

I can't help it to compare this two scenarios:

Scenario 1

"The doctrinal discutions will be held through written correspondence" and then
"I'm inside the vatican eating their peanuts and cashews and discussing doctrine in person".

"It is the Pope who wants it. They want us as we are", and then "I've been deceived by the Pope".

"I'll deny sacraments for those who criticize me or the deal with Rome" and then "Nothing has been signed, back to square one."

"Ultimatum is issued to +Williamson" and then "back to square one again".

Scenario 2

"Perfectly happy with my horrific avatar of smiley +Fellay" and then "I start to suspect the things being said might not be rumors after all".

"Perfectly happy to shut my site down for a "retreat" preceding the GC as they requested" and then "he realizes that this is still not enough to appease Menzingen."

"+Fellay turns up the heat and threats to withhold Communion" and then "Patricius is p*** off with +Fellay and proclaims he'll refuse him to his face."

"He changes his smiley Fellay avatar to one of Archbishop" and then "bring back all the troll-accordistas that has been kicked out".

"I'm going to shut IA down because we're producing even visionaries now" and then "he won't shut down, won't get rid of the self-proclaimed mystic but will kick Incred out; just so people can know he is the man". How charming.

Bottom line, he's doing a heck of a job imitating the Stalin of Menzingen and the expulsion of Incred only proves this incredible resemblance.

Sigismund · « **Reply #20 on:** October 21, 2012, 09:29:50 PM »

Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant

You mean people can actually be paid money for being a horse's butt on the internet? And all this time I've been doing it for free... :roll-laugh2:

:smile:

Sigismund · « **Reply #21 on:** October 21, 2012, 09:31:23 PM »

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus

Quote from: Incredulous
Consider, that moderator Clare with her dumb blonde, Catholic home Mom schtik

I think that's a bit out of line.

I disagree with Clare and Patricius on a number of things, and the beliefs of CatholicInfo are certainly more in-line with my beliefs than IA's are. But I think you're out of line here, Incredulous. Clare is one of the nicest people I've ever met since I began posting on Trad forums, and while she may not be right about everything, she's no dumb blonde.

As for Patricius, the poor guy just had a nervous breakdown, let's cut him some slack. Yes, he's made some mistakes along the way, but none of us are perfect. And to give credit where credit is due, he did finally stand up to Bishop Fellay and Menzingen.

Indeed!

SeanJohnson · « **Reply #22 on:** October 21, 2012, 09:42:06 PM »

Chronology:

1) Patricius is going to take IA offline, bowing to pressure from Menzingen.

2)Patricius brings Ia back online a couple weeks later

3) A couple months later, Patricius says he doesn't want to run IA anymore, and all his moderators are forced to flee.

4) Patricius announces again his intent to take IA offline.

5) 2 days later Patricius is NOT going to take IA offline.

6)Today, Patricius posts more than he has posted on any topic in the last year, in order to run Bishop Williamson into the ground for his latest EC on the Poem.

7) Could it be that Menzingen didn't want the bad PR, and told Patricius to keep IA online after all, but to just do his best to let the accordista trolls run wild, and be sure to run Bishop Williamson into the ground?

8) IA is now a tool of Menzingen.

9) Patricius has shown himself to be remarkably elastic on policy when Menzingen reaches out to him, so there is no doubt in my mind that his erratic moderating is the result of outside influences.

Ethelred · « **Reply #23 on:** October 22, 2012, 10:04:41 AM »

Quote from: Incredulous

I was privately advised by a UK IA member, that Ashmolean [on IA] was actively seeking meetings with forum members who were pro-Williamson, for the purpose of identifying them.

No surprise here, because that's the way of the anti-Christian Jєωs and their lackeys. And indeed the liberal Clare covered and backed up the ugly Judaizer Ashmolean for years on IA. And he's just the English equivalent of the ugly East-German Judaizer Max Krah, as some of you (like Telesphorus) already pointed out.

Krah? Now who's that? Never heard. But he got a really nice tie and cool hair! And sweet kids. And a nice Facebook page. Well, let's be nice to him then. Yes, let's all be nice. And let's also be nice to those liberal Catholics covering the Krahs and Ashmoleans. Because they're nice, too. All we need is luv, luv, luv. And you bad boys Incredulous & Diego & Co: Do not disturb our niceness circles!

In reality however those liberal Catholics who cover the Ashmolean and Krah Judaizers, cover the oldest enemies of Our Lord Jesus Christus, and so these fools indirectly work for the enemies of Our Lord amid the Catholic traditionalism.
If they do so intentionally or not, the objective result is the same disaster.

In the late year 2009, Max Krah identified the administration of the only German-speaking traditional Catholic forum named Kreuzforum, which out on a limb supported Bishop Williamson for years, in particular in 2009. Krah reported their postings to Menzingen/Stuttgart, Fr. Schmidberger then called the Austrian forum administration and threatened them with expulsion from the SSPX chapels. Shortly afterwards the forum disappeared entirely. End of layfolk resistance in the German speaking Internet. I came, I saw, I run away.

Nadir, thank you. At least some got my foreign-language-endeavour on (? in?) humour. Then it was not for nothing.

Yes, Elmer Fudd, you've got me there. We really try to emulate our paragons, don't we?
And all these things are being said about me! I just love the attention!

Incredulous · « **Reply #24 on:** October 22, 2012, 11:32:20 AM »

Quote from: Sigismund

Quote from: Incredulous
Old,

You soft, kosher Fellayite.

Thank you for posting your minimalist IA shut-down conspiracy theory.

In summary, IA shut-down because Incredulous, a paid +Williamson infiltrator
raided IA and spread dirty rumors.

Poor Bp. Fellay had to pull the plug on IA, because too many SSPX faithful
believed him.

Man, you've been on the sheep farm too long.
Even my 15 year son has more imagination than that.

Bishop Williamson has a paid inflitrator? Do you have any actual proof of that?

I am not a fan of His Excellency, but I am sure he has lots of actual bishop stuff to do. If the state of the trad world is such that bishops are paying infiltrators to take over internet forums, it is doomed, and should be.

Sigismund,

The "+W paid infiltrator" is Old's accusation.
If you re-read my post, I was summarizing his previous post.

Incredulous · « **Reply #25 on:** October 22, 2012, 12:37:12 PM »

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus

Quote from: Incredulous
Consider, that moderator Clare with her dumb blonde, Catholic home Mom schtik

I think that's a bit out of line.

I disagree with Clare and Patricius on a number of things, and the beliefs of CatholicInfo are certainly more in-line with my beliefs than IA's are. But I think you're out of line here, Incredulous. Clare is one of the nicest people I've ever met since I began posting on Trad forums, and while she may not be right about everything, she's no dumb blonde.

As for Patricius, the poor guy just had a nervous breakdown, let's cut him some slack. Yes, he's made some mistakes along the way, but none of us are perfect. And to give credit where credit is due, he did finally stand up to Bishop Fellay and Menzingen.

SpiritusSanctus,

Acknowledge your point, but Clare calls herself a "dumb blonde".
Its part of her internet persona.

I would certainly expect Clare to be nice.
A pleasant, conversationalist is a basic requirement for a forum facilitator.
With 28,000 post, she's surely refined her style.

Let me ask... have you positively identified the moderator "Clare" ?

If not, how do you know that Clare isn't an alias for someone like:
Gloria Silverfarb?

My critiicism were based on her comments and actions directly observed while I was on Ignsis Ardens. There are several IA members who know of her cover-up antics, several of them were kicked off the forum, for some of the most interesting reasons. But not because they were trolls.

As for Patricius, I may not agree with his views, but I have no beef, other than his troll-control policy.

Since we know Menzingen is infiltrated, we should have zero-tolerance
for tribe trolls and their allies on Catholic forums.

Incredulous · « **Reply #26 on:** October 22, 2012, 12:52:02 PM »

Quote from: Ethelred

Quote from: Telesphorus
We have people hinging their decisions on our words here.

:soapbox:

It's intrinsically for liberals to change their minds on a daily basis (or faster when needed). Because in reality they just can't make up their minds. Only exception is their deep aversion against anti-liberalism. See here:

Quote from: Patricius on his liberal Monty Phyton forum this afternoon

There's much more than that, NeelyAnn. Oldavid has been attacked on there [=Cathinfo], incessantly. Clare has been attacked on there at times, and even recently, as have I. When some of IA members went over to defend IA, Matthew promptly banned most of them, and allowed the sick and disgusting unCatholic posts of the likes of Credo/John Grace, Ethelred and Diego continue, and they do so to this day.

Strong words for a liberal like Patricius who's 2+2=5 motto is: "We support all four (SSPX) bishops"...
At least he puts us up against his liberal wall together: Incredulous, Diego, John and me. We should now establish a transatlantic anti-liberal group of regulars for coffee and rolls. And with English tee please. And of course with Salzburger Nockerln.

Thank you for your post Ethelred... but the delicious food links always make me hungry.
Yummm... Salzburger Nockerin looks so good!
I hope my wife will try making some?

:ready-to-eat:

MiserereMeiDeus · « **Reply #27 on:** October 22, 2012, 04:28:09 PM »

Quote from: Incredulous

Quote from: SpiritusSanctus
Quote from: Incredulous
Consider, that moderator Clare with her dumb blonde, Catholic home Mom schtik

I think that's a bit out of line.

I disagree with Clare and Patricius on a number of things, and the beliefs of CatholicInfo are certainly more in-line with my beliefs than IA's are. But I think you're out of line here, Incredulous. Clare is one of the nicest people I've ever met since I began posting on Trad forums, and while she may not be right about everything, she's no dumb blonde.

As for Patricius, the poor guy just had a nervous breakdown, let's cut him some slack. Yes, he's made some mistakes along the way, but none of us are perfect. And to give credit where credit is due, he did finally stand up to Bishop Fellay and Menzingen.

SpiritusSanctus,

Acknowledge your point, but Clare calls herself a "dumb blonde".
Its part of her internet persona.

I would certainly expect Clare to be nice.
A pleasant, conversationalist is a basic requirement for a forum facilitator.
With 28,000 post, she's surely refined her style.

Let me ask... have you positively identified the moderator "Clare" ?

If not, how do you know that Clare isn't an alias for someone like:
Gloria Silverfarb?

My critiicism were based on her comments and actions directly observed while I was on Ignsis Ardens. There are several IA members who know of her cover-up antics, several of them were kicked off the forum, for some of the most interesting reasons. But not because they were trolls.

As for Patricius, I may not agree with his views, but I have no beef, other than his troll-control policy.

Since we know Menzingen is infiltrated, we should have zero-tolerance
for tribe trolls and their allies on Catholic forums.

How do I know Incredulous isn't really Shlomo Cohen?

Diego · « **Reply #28 on:** October 22, 2012, 04:52:08 PM »

Quote from: John Grace

I noticed how Patricius never mentions how I did rebuke Diego for calling IA 'Judaica Ardens' or the times I actually wrote against Clare been attacked.I also discussed it offline but I'm afraid, the days of defending them are over.

I thought with the exception of one or two, most on IA are solid on the Jєωs....

If by solid, you mean solid in ensuring that the Judaizers have free rein while Catholics get timeouts and banned, yes, Judaica Ardens is solid—solid double-mindedness, solid brimstone.

At JA, GregJ touted тαℓмυd for Catholics, and, as Hollingsworth so amusingly put it, Blaise "Ashmolean" Compton and OldDrunk would "thrash about with extra energy" every time there was opportunity to promote the tribe or to tout the tribe's spotless victimhood. There were of course other tribal groupies; UniversityWomyn (ACS) comes to mind.

Unlike the Catholics, these Judaizers were never challenged or disciplined by the moderators. Clare is not innocent in these regards.

oldavid · « **Reply #29 on:** October 22, 2012, 04:58:52 PM »

Is this forum entirely dedicated to making Catholics, and Traditional Catholics in particular, appear a bunch of egomaniacal ignoramuses?

Any non-Catholic looking into this site to see for themselves what TradCat is about would be revolted and run a mile.

It seems to be a meeting place where emotionally undeveloped egomaniacs slap each other on the back by libelling abitrarily chosen victims.

Concerning this thread in particular, and since it is once again developing into a gratuitous slandering of people I have come to know, I can only profess my profound distain for the emotional and intellectual cripples who exude and tolerate this venom.