Author Topic: If the days are not shortened even the Elect will perish (Read 3948 times)

Matthew · « **on:** June 20, 2015, 02:24:48 AM »

I can't believe what a field day the devil is having with Traditional Catholics.

Don't Trad Catholics have ANY defense against the wiles of the devil? Why is virtue (humility, charity) so rare among Trads? Or knowledge? Both of these are missing in far too many cases.

If you are ignorant, fine. Not everyone's state of life allows a person to study in depth, and acquire the knowledge of, say, a seminarian, priest, or theologian. But at least have humility about it -- don't assume that you, in your ignorance, know everything -- or that your random opinion is as good as anyone else's!

My family and I are maintaining a small independent chapel on our property. We have advertised it all over the place locally, as well as online venues. Those we knew at our local SSPX chapel receive e-mails from us regularly, including a chapel bulletin which is prepared every week.

But we have people who are clearly being ensnared by the devil's net:

A) A lady who won't come because we use the 1962 Missal
B) A different lady who won't come because the Mass is "una cuм" Pope Francis
A and B have both been Trad for 2 or 3 years.
C) A man who won't come because he follows Fr. Pfeiffer blindly and the latter won't approve of Fr. Zendejas. Fr. Voigt told this man to attend the local SSPX (when there is no Resistance Mass available) as long as Fr. Zigrang was there, but he rejected that advice. Why? Because he couldn't get the "go ahead" from Fr. Pfeiffer. See the pattern?
D) A woman with 5 young children (oldest is about 11), one of her girls just received First Communion, won't attend because her father is C).

A and B might get Mass occasionally; C and D are now 100% home aloners. Yes, even the young mother with young children. No Mass, no influence from fellow-Catholics, no more sacraments for them. Because Fr. Zendejas is THAT BAD, right? His doctrine is a roulette spin that's anyone's guess, huh? (Nevermind the fact that he was a public priest in the SSPX for 26 years, and he doesn't have the slightest taint of scandal on his reputation -- both in doctrine and in behavior).

But Fr. Pfeiffer doesn't approve, so Fr. Z is a complete wild card!

How ridiculous can you get.

The devil would be laughing all the way to the bank -- if it were possible for him to have an ounce of joy.

I suppose I should mention that this man C) was known to send Fr. Pfeiffer donation checks for many months before Fr. Pfeiffer finally sent Fr. Voigt here for monthly Mass starting in Sept 2014. Why doesn't Fr. Pfeiffer direct him to the Resistance Mass being offered weekly just 55 minutes from his house? Conflict of interest? Grudge against his "enemy" Fr. Zendejas? Human temptation to get those checks that he could so much use for his apostolate? Makes you wonder.

clare · « **Reply #1 on:** June 20, 2015, 02:46:25 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

I can't believe what a field day the devil is having with Traditional Catholics.

Don't Trad Catholics have ANY defense against the wiles of the devil? Why is virtue (humility, charity) so rare among Trads? Or knowledge? Both of these are missing in far too many cases.

I also think there is a danger of becoming habitually "disobedient" or critical, so that when a Pope comes and restores things, he still won't be good enough for some. Maybe he teaches baptism of desire, or doesn't go back pre-62, or doesn't do other things that different trads think are necessary. So he will be resisted too, if he's recognised at all.

True Faith · « **Reply #2 on:** June 20, 2015, 08:10:15 AM »

Has Fr. Z stated where he stands on doctrine yet since he left the SSPX?

Domitilla · « **Reply #3 on:** June 20, 2015, 08:34:09 AM »

When Holy Mother Church is finally restored (through the agency of Our Lady), I have no doubt that all men of good will, will be so utterly grateful to leave their temporary, safe sheepfolds (the shepherd is struck and the sheep are scattered) and head for the strong, permanent shelter of the One, Holy, (Roman)Catholic, and Apostolic Church, for it is written:

"I am the Good Shepherd; and I know Mine, and Mine know Me. As the Father knoweth Me, and I know the Father: and I lay down My Life for My Sheep ..." (John 10-14-15)

vonGalen · « **Reply #4 on:** June 20, 2015, 09:12:36 AM »

Nothing new here,Mathew. It is quite deplorable. But we are living through a time of diabolical disorientation. I have similar experiences in our congregation. Mostly I find a lack of charity with many of the so called traditional catholics (even resistance). If I was a newcomer to tradition,this would put me completely off. To see fellow catholics cheating each other, being dishonest, full of jealousy is very,very sad. Our priest says,it will only change after the chastisement.
I do, however, not understand how traditional catholics can be so "holy" and at the same time do not obey all the commandments and be so uncharitable to each other. Surely, being of a very small number nowadays, we should be one heart and one soul.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #5 on:** June 20, 2015, 09:46:41 AM »

Matt:

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Fr. Zendejas is THAT BAD, right? His doctrine is a roulette spin that's anyone's guess, huh? (Nevermind the fact that he was a public priest in the SSPX for 26 years, and he doesn't have the slightest taint of scandal on his reputation -- both in doctrine and in behavior).

But Fr. Pfeiffer doesn't approve, so Fr. Z is a complete wild card!

How ridiculous can you get.

Yeah, but as 'true faith' asks: "Has Fr. Z stated where he stands on doctrine yet since he left the SSPX?"

Huh, huh? Well, has he? :surprised:

I have never laid eyes on Fr. Zendejas. But I would assume, after 26 years in the sspx,, that he has accuмulated a core of "doctrine" that might pass muster with most reasonable Catholics. I would assume, for example, that he was ordained a valid priest in the beginning. I would assume, furthermore, that he believes what the Church teaches, e.g. that God is Triune; that Jesus died for our sins on the Cross; that He was born of a Virgin; that He rose from the dead on the third day...You know, basic stuff like that.

Yeah, I've heard Fr. Pfeiffer several times talking about "doctrine," and wanting to make certain that priests and faithful practice it correctly. He never explains in detail what that "doctrine" is, however. But let Fr. Z be at ease. Not only does Fr. P not approve of him, he does not seem to approve of any trad priest whom he and the "Marian Corp" have not personally vetted. Truth be told, Fr. P. does not really approve of His Excellency, Bp Williamson. That, BTW, is not rumor. That disapproval has been expressed from his lips to my ear. Fr. Pfeiffer has little or no confidence in the bishop. Fr. P. told the "resistance" folks here in north Idaho that the good bishop does not lead properly. In fact, as startling as this might sound, both Frs. P and H have stated that the bishop "refuses to lead."
It's a mess here. I see that it's a mess in Texas, as well. My Oh My!

JPaul · « **Reply #6 on:** June 20, 2015, 10:16:57 AM »

hollingsworth,

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In fact, as startling as this might sound, both Frs. P and H have stated that the bishop "refuses to lead."
It's a mess here. I see that it's a mess in Texas, as well. My Oh My!

Yes, it is a mess almost everywhere. Avoidance of the cults, (both), is a first step toward regaining one's spiritual sanity and peace. As Matthew observes, the devil has infiltrated everywhere and is generating chaos among and between Catholics.

All of these minor players are diverting souls from thinking about the Church at large, and keeping them penned in enclosed sectarian corrals.

Blind guides......................

JPaul · « **Reply #7 on:** June 20, 2015, 10:30:29 AM »

hollingsworth,

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Frs. P and H have stated that the bishop "refuses to lead."

Yes, again, refuses to lead as Our Lady's Exorcists MC have determined that he should lead this resistance so called.

Croix de Fer · « **Reply #8 on:** June 20, 2015, 10:53:30 AM »

They probably spend too much time on Facebook listening to a certain clique of dogmatic, "home-alone", schizoid sedes who habitually speak calumny against Archbishop Lefebvre, and attack the 1962 Missal. They stroke their egos and reinforce their schisms and heresies when condemning anyone in the Resistance and/or anyone using the 1962 Missal, and/or anyone assisting an "una cuм" Mass. One girl told a guy (who is also a sede) that she'll pray for his conversion because he goes to an "una cuм" TLM:laugh1:

The irony is they would not know about the Crisis one iota, nor would they be "trad Catholics", if it were not for the very good and holy man, +Lefebvre, whom they condemn. They'd be stuck in a neocon novus ordo wasteland or the protestant hades if it were not for +Lefebvre being graced by the Lord to preserve and defend the Catholic Faith and Mass.

It would behoove some "trad Catholics" to stay entirely off of Fb.

Matthew · « **Reply #9 on:** June 20, 2015, 10:56:25 AM »

I don't need any written "signing statement", "abjuration" or any of that sedevacantist nonsense from Fr. Zendejas.

For me, his 26-year spotless reputation speaks much louder than any "official statement" ever could.

But I try to be objective. Why did I decide to trust Fr. Zendejas? Was it emotion, personality, or reason? Well, here are my rational reasons. Let's just say I'm not crazy for trusting him:

1. He was prior of Ridgefield, CT for a long time -- a major SSPX priory.
2. He was prior of Houston, TX for his last 6 years in the SSPX.
3. I've personally seen that he has a deep devotion to the reign of Christ the King. His favorite expression is "Viva Cristo Rey!" His sermons are very substantial.
4. In my discussions with him, he seems to be a typical "classic" SSPX priest -- the usual mix of devotion to the truth, love of the Liturgy, knowledge of the Faith and Theology, balance and sanity, Archbishop Lefebvre's love of the Church and views on the Crisis, etc.
5. Fr. Zendejas has no "past" or even the slightest taint of scandal -- behavioral OR doctrinal
6. Ordained in 1989, Father has stayed true to Tradition for 26 years. To my knowledge, he has never uttered anything against the Faith in that time.
7. Father seems to be quite detached from money and comfort. I've never detected the slightest hint of attachment to money, much less avarice. For many months now, he's lived a very simple existence. Now there's a dedication to souls!
8. And I shouldn't neglect to mention -- Father has the 5th mark of the Church: persecution. He is attacked from both sides: the SSPX-MC in Boston, the neo-SSPX. The neo-SSPX attacks him more fiercely than they've attacked any other "resistance" priest.

When I had the option to have such a priest say Mass at the chapel I manage -- let's just say I didn't have to think about it very long.

And to think that some people believe it would be better to stay home on Sunday than to attend such a priest's Masses -- it seriously tempts me to lose faith in humanity.

Matthew · « **Reply #10 on:** June 20, 2015, 11:01:46 AM »

Regarding #8 --

You know how the government won't stand for A) Religious fundamentalism and B) guns to be in the same place? You can have one or the other, but if the two come together, the BATF and tanks roll in.

Likewise, the Enemy won't stand for "Integral Catholicism" and "leadership/competence" in the same person. Such a person is too dangerous. If he has the Truth, knows what's going on, etc. AND he is prudent, able to build up, clever, efficient, etc. then the enemy goes into full panic mode.

You can have priests with the truth, even holy priests, but if they aren't able to organize on a large scale, if they aren't able to efficiently administrate, if they aren't able to set long-term plans, etc. then they're not much danger.

Likewise, you can have all that administrative ability, but as long as you're working for the neo-SSPX you're fine.

But put those two things together --

It reminds me of what the devil told the Cure of Ars: "If there were just 3 men like you on earth, my kingdom would be undone."

B from A · « **Reply #11 on:** June 20, 2015, 11:41:06 AM »

Quote from: Matthew

And to think that some people believe it would be better to stay home on Sunday than to attend such a priest's Masses -- it seriously tempts me to lose faith in humanity.

Indeed.

hollingsworth · « **Reply #12 on:** June 20, 2015, 11:46:22 AM »

J. Paul:

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All of these minor players are diverting souls from thinking about the Church at large, and keeping them penned in enclosed sectarian corrals.

Blind guides......................

That is certainly my take, as well. IMHO, a few of the so-called "resistance" priests have done more to damage true resistance than any number of enemies of the truth. I'm glad this is finally coming out.

MaterDominici · « **Reply #13 on:** June 20, 2015, 01:22:02 PM »

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They probably spend too much time on Facebook listening to a certain clique of dogmatic, "home-alone", schizoid sedes who habitually speak calumny against Archbishop Lefebvre, and attack the 1962 Missal. They stroke their egos and reinforce their schisms and heresies when condemning anyone in the Resistance and/or anyone using the 1962 Missal, and/or anyone assisting an "una cuм" Mass. One girl told a guy (who is also a sede) that she'll pray for his conversion because he goes to an "una cuм" TLM:laugh1:

The irony is they would not know about the Crisis one iota, nor would they be "trad Catholics", if it were not for the very good and holy man, +Lefebvre, whom they condemn. They'd be stuck in a neocon novus ordo wasteland or the protestant hades if it were not for +Lefebvre being graced by the Lord to preserve and defend the Catholic Faith and Mass.

It would behoove some "trad Catholics" to stay entirely off of Fb.

The Internet is quite the double-edged sword when it comes to Traditional Catholicism. Many people "convert" before they ever assist at a TLM thanks to the Internet, but they don't know where sane, true Catholicism ends and fringe, dangerous ideas begin.

No doubt there is a huge Crisis and the Pope question and missal question are part of that, but if your answers to these issues leads you away from the Sacraments rather than toward them, you've placed too much emphasis on these issues and have missed the forest for the trees.

JPaul · « **Reply #14 on:** June 20, 2015, 02:01:17 PM »

Quote from: hollingsworth

J. Paul:
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All of these minor players are diverting souls from thinking about the Church at large, and keeping them penned in enclosed sectarian corrals.

Blind guides......................

That is certainly my take, as well. IMHO, a few of the so-called "resistance" priests have done more to damage true resistance than any number of enemies of the truth. I'm glad this is finally coming out.

I believe that you are correct.