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Offline Matthew

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If someone wants to debate Seans Catechetical Refutation
« on: January 06, 2017, 10:04:39 PM »
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  • Let them come here, and debate it in text.

    I'm not giving out free advertising for someone's newfound video blogging or podcasting hobby.

    It's not news. It's not even important. It's one insignificant layman's opinion on Bishop Williamson. The man in question isn't a theologian, he isn't a bishop or priest, he isn't even a cleric, and as a matter of fact he hasn't even spent time in a seminary. I don't know what his excuse is for putting his name out there in the hopes of becoming a household name.

    Seriously, why should I bookmark and read his blog, or watch his "radio show"? What education or other credentials does he have to commend himself?

    A forum/message board has something to recommend itself: quantity and variety. That includes hundreds of users, including average Joes "on the ground" merely reporting news from their chapels. Then there are a handful of educated types, older folks, the highly educated, specialists from various fields, etc. so there are plenty of reasons to keep an eye on the place. But I never understood the attraction of following a blog, a.k.a. One Man's Soapbox, unless the person was already famous for some reason, or otherwise proven himself to be outstanding in some way.

    Anyhow, the man in question doesn't like Bishop Williamson's "loose association", he doesn't like his nuanced position on the New Mass, etc.

    I'm sure every argument he offered in his recent radio show has been used at least twice in the SEVERAL THREADS we have here on CathInfo on the topic. There has been PLENTY of free and open discussion on this matter. Most of us are quite sick of the topic, I'm sure.

    If you must, I'll lead you by the hand to threads numbering in the HUNDREDS OF POSTS talking about this topic ad nauseam.


    P.S. I just noticed that his blog claims to be a "Mission". Well, it's a defunct Mission, with no Masses being said there for some time. He has separated himself from BOTH Bishop Williamson and the mainstream Resistance, as well as Fr. Pfeiffer's belligerent, isolated cult/group. I guess he has to super special elite by getting along with nobody? Speaking for myself, that doesn't impress me at all. Quite the contrary.
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    Re: If someone wants to debate Seans Catechetical Refutation
    « Reply #1 on: March 25, 2017, 06:21:06 PM »
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    It is quite clear that both a declaration of validity and legitimate promulgation are required for a rite to be considered an approved rite by the Catholic Church. To be valid the rite must at least conform to the approved doctrine declared at the Council of Trent.

    This is not true.



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    Omnem Sollicitudinem (1874):     "the liturgy of the Ruthenians can be no other than that which was either instituted by the holy fathers of the Church or ratified by the canons of synods or introduced by legitimate use, always with the express or tacit approval of the Apostolic See."

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    Apostolicae Curae (1896):            "it was accordingly quite impossible that the Apostolic See should tacitly allow or tolerate such a custom."

    It doesn't have to be universal, just a rite that is regularly used, known to be used by the Church, and even TACITLY permitted without a word.

    Of course, this is only the case when there is a true pope permitting it.

    "there can be no holiness where there is disagreement with the pope" - Pope St. Pius X

    Today, only Catholics holding the sedevacantist position are free from the anguish entailed by this truth.