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Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: Matthew on June 01, 2016, 11:45:29 AM
This was written by an individual who knows Pablo all too well. The person wishes to remain anonymous, but I know the person's identity.

So while these "Confessions" are fiction, they are based on a true situation. In other words, if the right drugs could be administered to Pablo, he would utter words VERY SIMILAR to these!

Here is the question: Do we have any reason NOT to believe the things written here? Do any of these points sound outrageous, or conflict with anything we KNOW TO BE A FACT about Pablo and his behavior? Or do they mesh perfectly?

From all the reports I've heard over the years, I believe this post is VERY good and very effective in communicating the problems with Pablo. And it has an almost SCARY ring of truth to it. It rings completely true. It makes sense of a very complicated and confusing situation there in Boston.

I heartily recommend that everyone here read it, and think about it.


Confessions from the Boss (based on a true story)

I am not a bad man. Everyone thinks I am, but I am not. Those who say this of me are just jealous, selfish and uneducated troglodytes. To hell with them. I hate them all, and they deserve my just and righteous wrath.

I work for a non-profit. You could say I am the non-profit, but I would deny that. I only claim a small role for myself, sort of like being a custodian, a volunteer. I am a humble worker in the field, so to speak. That's how I started with the non-profit.

I met the owner of this non-profit years before he established it. For the sake of comprehension, let's call him Jack. I did odd jobs for him over the years. I worked my way into his circle of trust. The more I worked myself in, the better were my odds for a diversified income.

I didn't know how well Jack would pay off, so I had my fingers in other pies. It was only when Jack started his non-profit that I realized the full potential for future gains and security.

Yes, money is the root of all evil. I have a lot of evil to feed, specifically my ex-wife, lovers and their kids, some of which may or may not be mine. Some of these mouths truly disgust me, but I am not a bad man, so I help them whenever I can.

As a humble worker in the field, it is my duty to make sure that others know who I am. Jack is the commander, and I am his servant. Whatever he wants done, I do. Sure, these little acts are as pennies to the dollars I take from him and his non-profit, but as long as he values my service, then I can and do get away with everything. I bet I would get away with murder, as long as I have a fall guy.

One good thing about non-profits is the seemingly never-ending supply of dimwits and good, naïve volunteers. They supply me with at least two of my most basic needs; money and power. I give them a commander-in-chief in return for their hard work. I am a boss to them, a stern father. I work them, keep them in line, and ensure they know their place. Some of these workers have gotten wise to my plan. That's when they turn into fall guys. I frame them for some offense, then I rid myself of them. When I remove these threats, I always report to Jack.

“Another disaster averted.” I tell him.

Jack has given me many responsibilities, and I handle each one carefully. In every task, I have found new opportunities to ingratiate myself with my boss and his fellow non-profit founders. Every task is a chance for improving my own financial status. I have even found a way to improve my relationship status. If the man didn't want his family taken away, he should have done more to keep them. I have done wonders for the kids, and now Jack thinks even more of me. I am such a loving, grandfatherly figure, free of any improper feelings and all that.

It's like taking candy from a baby. Maybe easier. This baby feeds me with an endless supply of candy. I'm loving every piece of it.

Yes, I have my critics. Some people call me evil, demonic, greedy, lustful, and other things I don't really care about. They are vocal, but not very active. They complain from the safety of their homes, these cowards, while not doing anything to back their idle threats.

They say I am a bad man. I am only giving Jack what he wants. It is only fair that I also get what I want. I don't get paid a salary for what I do. It is a non-profit after all.

That's why I get my pay in other ways. I have set up all I need to eventually take over the non-profit from Jack. After all, I have done most, if not all, of the paper work in the previous three or so years. I secured the property, the tax status, the bank accounts, the titles, deeds and more.

Jack should really thank me for all the good I have done. As you see, with everything I have contributed over the years, I am really not a bad man at all.

I am the boss.
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: Matthew on June 01, 2016, 11:50:30 AM
To talk about why I am impressed with this post, I'd have to talk about every line!

As a poet, I can appreciate when someone manages to capture the "essence" of an individual. He captures Pablo's tone and personality almost perfectly. I don't think Pablo himself could write any more Pablo-like.

For example:

I am not a bad man. Everyone thinks I am, but I am not. Those who say this of me are just jealous, selfish and uneducated troglodytes. To hell with them. I hate them all, and they deserve my just and righteous wrath.

Those sounds just like quotes I've read from Pablo! Note the denial of being bad, followed immediately by wishing evil on them "to hell with them".

I work for a non-profit. You could say I am the non-profit, but I would deny that. I only claim a small role for myself, sort of like being a custodian, a volunteer. I am a humble worker in the field, so to speak. That's how I started with the non-profit.

This line is perfect. He points out that he IS the non-profit, but then quickly follows up with some exaggerated false humility "I'm just the janitor". Which is it? But that's EXACTLY how Pablo operates. Alternating between grandiose vainglory, and self-denigration.
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: PG on June 01, 2016, 12:14:56 PM
Revelation 1:8

Pablo put up a video on his website recently, but he appears to have taken it down.  It was a type of montage of him and his interests.  And, it was titled "what exactly is?   4 6 9 f i t t e r is....".  And, if you don't get it.  Maybe you shouldn't.  But, it is potentially blasphemous.  And, knowing pablo, that is probably what it was.  

In sum.  Pablo is a marrano Jєω who thinks he is god.  He has a history of sporting a mean Jєωfro to add to it.  He even compared the boot given him and the kentucky fathers by the bishops of the resistance to the orthodox Jєωs getting expelled recently by the native locals from a south american town.  Oy vey.  

He is a false convert.  
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: Croixalist on June 01, 2016, 01:42:36 PM
Ah, I think the word is "Pablovian". Very interesting take.

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That's why I get my pay in other ways. I have set up all I need to eventually take over the non-profit from Jack. After all, I have done most, if not all, of the paper work in the previous three or so years. I secured the property, the tax status, the bank accounts, the titles, deeds and more.


This almost sounds like a preamble for murder. Chilling.
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: TheRealMcCoy on June 01, 2016, 01:48:04 PM
I like this confession but we must remember something:  Pablo is going to die in the Chastisement.  How many months until the Chastisement?
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: 1st Mansion Tenant on June 01, 2016, 02:38:26 PM
Quote from: TheRealMcCoy
I like this confession but we must remember something:  Pablo is going to die in the Chastisement.  How many months until the Chastisement?

 Did he claim that he would die during the Chastisement?
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: TheRealMcCoy on June 01, 2016, 04:19:03 PM
Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant
Quote from: TheRealMcCoy
I like this confession but we must remember something:  Pablo is going to die in the Chastisement.  How many months until the Chastisement?

 Did he claim that he would die during the Chastisement?


Our Lady said so.  You and I will too.  
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: Matthew on June 01, 2016, 04:37:07 PM
Quote from: TheRealMcCoy
Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant
Quote from: TheRealMcCoy
I like this confession but we must remember something:  Pablo is going to die in the Chastisement.  How many months until the Chastisement?

 Did he claim that he would die during the Chastisement?


Our Lady said so.  You and I will too.  


Huh?

Our Lady said, "Pablo, 1st Mansion Tenant, and The Real McCoy will perish in the Chastisement...?"

Somehow I doubt it.

I've heard about the good dying with the bad, both priests and religious, the Holy Father being killed, and the survivors envying the dead. That might have been Our Lady of Akita though.

But where did it say that the United States will be utterly destroyed, with no survivors?

I've heard of California sinking into the ocean, but not the whole continent! USA is a big place. Even in a nuclear assault there would be survivors. Especially in remote and mountainous areas.

So to assume we're all going to die in a Chastisement is wrong.
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: TheRealMcCoy on June 01, 2016, 07:43:14 PM
Quote from: Matthew
Quote from: TheRealMcCoy
Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant
Quote from: TheRealMcCoy
I like this confession but we must remember something:  Pablo is going to die in the Chastisement.  How many months until the Chastisement?

 Did he claim that he would die during the Chastisement?


Our Lady said so.  You and I will too.  


Huh?

Our Lady said, "Pablo, 1st Mansion Tenant, and The Real McCoy will perish in the Chastisement...?"

Somehow I doubt it.

I've heard about the good dying with the bad, both priests and religious, the Holy Father being killed, and the survivors envying the dead. That might have been Our Lady of Akita though.

But where did it say that the United States will be utterly destroyed, with no survivors?

I've heard of California sinking into the ocean, but not the whole continent! USA is a big place. Even in a nuclear assault there would be survivors. Especially in remote and mountainous areas.

So to assume we're all going to die in a Chastisement is wrong.


What?  We not going to die in the Chastisement?  How come nobody tells me these things!!!!
 :facepalm:
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: Charlotte NC Bill on June 01, 2016, 09:15:57 PM
He told Veronica here in Gastonia:" If I had to choose who to send to Hell; you or the Devil I would choose you.." Somehow I can't picture anyone in Mayberry talking like that; not even Otis the town drunk-while he's drunk.. :reporter:
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: VTG on June 02, 2016, 12:46:15 AM
Someone needs to send this to Fr. P. Would this be what finally wakes him up? Nah. Never mind.
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: Paul FHC on June 04, 2016, 05:18:57 PM
I don't know who this person is or how long they have known Pablo, but they are incorrect in their assessment.

If Pablo's greatest concern was the attainment of personal wealth via financial leechery, he would be doing many things differently.

He cares about many things that have nothing to do with money. Indeed, he serves a higher master than mammon.
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: Matthew on June 04, 2016, 09:52:33 PM
Another quote from Pablo I heard first-hand (sent to me via e-mail):

"I will teach my children to beware of Trads first, and the devil second."


Once again, the hatred dripping from Pablo is almost palpable. And not just any hatred, but hatred towards who? The most devoted followers of Christ.

We're talking about Traditional Catholics!

The Catholic Faith is inherently Traditional, and the Conciliar religion is man made and bogus. So if life were fair, we would just be called Catholics.

But even if you grant Catholicism to a number of Conciliar Catholics of good will (who still have the Faith), nevertheless Traditional Catholics are the most Catholic, the cream of the crop if you will. They at least know the most about Christ, His Church, and are most fearless in how they follow him. They make the most sacrifices for Him.

Among Traditional Catholics you will find the holiest, most serious, most devout Catholics. The kind of Catholics who live their Faith Monday - Saturday as well as Sunday -- also known as integral (whole) Catholics.

How could a person have such an ardent hatred of Christ's mystical body? Or an ardent hatred of Christ's most beloved souls, who love Him deeply, follow Him closely, and receive Him frequently (and worthily!) in Holy Communion, even during the week?

I mean, let that sink in!  We rightly look down on those who have a deep hatred of other races (who didn't do anything wrong), or Pope Francis, Modernist Catholics, illegal immigrants (who did do something wrong), etc. but what about those who have a visceral hatred for Traditional Catholics, who not only didn't do anything wrong, but are a huge portion of the Mystical Body of Christ? It doesn't get much worse than that.
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: Croixalist on June 04, 2016, 10:26:32 PM
Quote from: Matthew
Another quote from Pablo I heard first-hand (sent to me via e-mail):

"I will teach my children to beware of Trads first, and the devil second."


Sounds like he cursed his own kids.
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: Cantarella on June 05, 2016, 12:15:16 AM
Quote from: Croixalist
Quote from: Matthew
Another quote from Pablo I heard first-hand (sent to me via e-mail):

"I will teach my children to beware of Trads first, and the devil second."


Sounds like he cursed his own kids.


This whole thing is beyond disturbing...
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: Matthew on June 05, 2016, 09:50:40 AM
Referring to my quote (a few posts up):

Once again, the hatred dripping from Pablo is almost palpable. And not just any hatred, but hatred towards who? The most devoted followers of Christ.

We're talking about Traditional Catholics!

The Catholic Faith is inherently Traditional, and the Conciliar religion is man made and bogus. So if life were fair, we would just be called Catholics.

But even if you grant Catholicism to a number of Conciliar Catholics of good will (who still have the Faith), nevertheless Traditional Catholics are the most Catholic, the cream of the crop if you will. They at least know the most about Christ, His Church, and are most fearless in how they follow him. They make the most sacrifices for Him. And the Mass with which Traditional Catholics worship God is objectively better and more pleasing to God.

Among Traditional Catholics you will find the holiest, most serious, most devout Catholics. The kind of Catholics who live their Faith Monday - Saturday as well as Sunday -- also known as integral (whole) Catholics.

How could a person have such an ardent hatred of Christ's mystical body? Or an ardent hatred of Christ's most beloved souls, who love Him deeply, follow Him closely, and receive Him frequently (and worthily!) in Holy Communion, even during the week?

I mean, let that sink in! We rightly look down on those who have a deep hatred of other races (who didn't do anything wrong), or Pope Francis, Modernist Catholics, illegal immigrants (who did do something wrong), etc. but what about those who have a visceral hatred for Traditional Catholics, who not only didn't do anything wrong, but are a huge portion of the Mystical Body of Christ? It doesn't get much worse than that.
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: Incredulous on June 05, 2016, 08:12:46 PM

Whoever wrote this, has an artistic flare.

The writer canned the essence of what drives the man and put it into context with Pfeifferville's sufferings.

But, I could never imagine a true confession from "pablo"?

His demons control him, to where they regularly speak out: "I hate trads" or "I'm going to kill that dog" ... or worse.

No, it would take a Catholic exorcism to bring out the truth.


(https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/12754397_f520.jpg)

I'm sure that when his demons were made to speak, what they told us would put a chill down all of our spines.
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: St Ignatius on June 05, 2016, 08:34:37 PM
Quote from: Incredulous

I'm sure that when his demons were made to speak, what they told us would put a chill down all of our spines


Let me assure you, the first time I met this guy (over 15 years ago), it was somewhat of what you speak of. I warned Fr P. of him,  and he just shrugged me off.  Look at it now... only the devil could have pulled this off!
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: Incredulous on June 05, 2016, 10:07:39 PM
Quote from: PG
Revelation 1:8

Pablo put up a video on his website recently, but he appears to have taken it down.  It was a type of montage of him and his interests.  And, it was titled "what exactly is?   4 6 9 f i t t e r is....".  And, if you don't get it.  Maybe you shouldn't.  But, it is potentially blasphemous.  And, knowing pablo, that is probably what it was.  

In sum.  Pablo is a marrano Jєω who thinks he is god.  He has a history of sporting a mean Jєωfro to add to it.  He even compared the boot given him and the kentucky fathers by the bishops of the resistance to the orthodox Jєωs getting expelled recently by the native locals from a south american town.  Oy vey.  

He is a false convert.  



It's plausible he's part Sephardic Jєω.  
Mexico is loaded with them and this would go a long way in explaining his MO.

President Calles, "burner of priests" was the bastard son of one, and was taught to hate Catholics from childhood.

(https://www.picsofcelebrities.com/celebrity/gene-simmons/pictures/large/best-pictures-of-gene-simmons.jpg)

Chaim Witz (a.k.a. Gene Simmons) of "Kiss" is one.  A pathetic slave soul of the devil.

Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: 1st Mansion Tenant on June 07, 2016, 12:51:52 AM
Yikes. No wonder he wore all that make-up.

Gotta remind myself never to read these posts pre-coffee.
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: Matthew on June 07, 2016, 01:12:00 AM
I've actually met Trads who listened to, and enjoyed, the group KISS. They even went to KISS concerts!

Unbelievable.

Truth really is stranger than fiction.
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: VTG on June 14, 2016, 05:22:15 PM


(https://www.picsofcelebrities.com/celebrity/gene-simmons/pictures/large/best-pictures-of-gene-simmons.jpg)

Someone needs to brush his tongue!

Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: mw2016 on June 15, 2016, 12:53:55 AM
Quote from: Matthew
Another quote from Pablo I heard first-hand (sent to me via e-mail):

"I will teach my children to beware of Trads first, and the devil second."


Once again, the hatred dripping from Pablo is almost palpable. And not just any hatred, but hatred towards who? The most devoted followers of Christ.

We're talking about Traditional Catholics!



Probably because years ago, a group of them conspired against him, made up some phony accusations and had him arrested.

The judge summarily dismissed it and called it the total B.S. that it was.
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: St Ignatius on June 15, 2016, 08:28:06 AM
Quote from: mw2016
Quote from: Matthew
Another quote from Pablo I heard first-hand (sent to me via e-mail):

"I will teach my children to beware of Trads first, and the devil second."


Once again, the hatred dripping from Pablo is almost palpable. And not just any hatred, but hatred towards who? The most devoted followers of Christ.

We're talking about Traditional Catholics!



Probably because years ago, a group of them conspired against him, made up some phony accusations and had him arrested.

The judge summarily dismissed it and called it the total B.S. that it was.


Are you by chance referring to when Pablo was with Fr Pfeiffer there at OLOS's?

If that's the case, I don't believe it was just a conspiracy against him.
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: mw2016 on June 15, 2016, 02:10:39 PM
Quote from: St Ignatius
Quote from: mw2016
Quote from: Matthew
Another quote from Pablo I heard first-hand (sent to me via e-mail):

"I will teach my children to beware of Trads first, and the devil second."


Once again, the hatred dripping from Pablo is almost palpable. And not just any hatred, but hatred towards who? The most devoted followers of Christ.

We're talking about Traditional Catholics!



Probably because years ago, a group of them conspired against him, made up some phony accusations and had him arrested.

The judge summarily dismissed it and called it the total B.S. that it was.


Are you by chance referring to when Pablo was with Fr Pfeiffer there at OLOS's?

If that's the case, I don't believe it was just a conspiracy against him.


Why not? Were you there?
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: St Ignatius on June 15, 2016, 02:43:20 PM
Quote from: mw2016
Quote from: St Ignatius
Quote from: mw2016
Quote from: Matthew
Another quote from Pablo I heard first-hand (sent to me via e-mail):

"I will teach my children to beware of Trads first, and the devil second."


Once again, the hatred dripping from Pablo is almost palpable. And not just any hatred, but hatred towards who? The most devoted followers of Christ.

We're talking about Traditional Catholics!



Probably because years ago, a group of them conspired against him, made up some phony accusations and had him arrested.

The judge summarily dismissed it and called it the total B.S. that it was.


Are you by chance referring to when Pablo was with Fr Pfeiffer there at OLOS's?

If that's the case, I don't believe it was just a conspiracy against him.


Why not? Were you there?


As a matter of fact, I was there for a little while.  I was not a parishioner there, but I did substantial work there for Fr Pfeiffer. (I've known Fr. very well all of his priestly life.) I got to witness first hand how this Pablo character operated. I was good friends with a priest who was "in the know" at Headquarters when the District Superior and Superior General went to OLOS to investigated the situation.  Which by the way, led ultimately to Fr Pfeiffer's speedy transfer and drop in rank.  Sorry, but I don't think you can claim innocence for this man.

I may be wrong, but the way you describe "This group " it seems to me that you weren't there, and you fell for some of Pablo's  BS. Am I wrong?
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: mw2016 on June 15, 2016, 07:22:46 PM
Quote from: St Ignatius
I was not a parishioner there, but I did substantial work there for Fr Pfeiffer. (I've known Fr. very well all of his priestly life.) I got to witness first hand how this Pablo character operated. I was good friends with a priest who was "in the know" at Headquarters when the District Superior and Superior General went to OLOS to investigated the situation.  Which by the way, led ultimately to Fr Pfeiffer's speedy transfer and drop in rank.  Sorry, but I don't think you can claim innocence for this man.

I may be wrong, but the way you describe "This group " it seems to me that you weren't there, and you fell for some of Pablo's  BS. Am I wrong?




Then that is definitely second-hand.

I am not sure what you are referring to you when you say how Pablo "operated." Really, you're not the first to be offended by Pablo in that regard....get in line.

I am not sure what you are referring to that made you think Pablo "led to Fr. Pfeiffer's transfer." Perhaps you'd like to elaborate.

I was speaking specifically of his arrest, which was dismissed. Of that he was certainly innocent. I said maybe that is the source of Pablo's distaste for busybody Trads, of which there are many.

Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: St Ignatius on June 15, 2016, 07:50:29 PM
Quote from: mw2016
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I am not  :scratchchin:sure what you are referring to that made you think Pablo "led to Fr. Pfeiffer's transfer." Perhaps you'd like to elaborate.


Perhaps I won't... no sense in going further into this, because I think it may be you who has been deceived by second hand information. IMO, if you truly knew the internals of what happened back when Fr Pfeiffer was Prior, you wouldn't be quizzing me in this manner. And besides, look at the disaster at OLMC that has been accomplished by this duo, OLOS was just a dress rehearsal.

When I mentioned another party  (a certain priest who was in the know) I was only trying to substantiate what I had observed, in other words, it wasn't just a figment of my imagination.

By the way, just for some clarification from your part... was this arrest in regards to Pablo's beligirant interference with Bp Fellay?
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: TheRealMcCoy on June 15, 2016, 08:20:03 PM
During a personal conversation with Hernandez several years ago he told me that he hates trads because +Fellay put him under interdict and wouldn't let his family step foot on SSPX property.  I don't know if this really happened but Hernandez did tell me this.  
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: St Ignatius on June 15, 2016, 08:41:23 PM
Quote from: TheRealMcCoy
During a personal conversation with Hernandez several years ago he told me that he hates trads because +Fellay put him under interdict and wouldn't let his family step foot on SSPX property.  I don't know if this really happened but Hernandez did tell me this.  


Seems he had some "Truth Serum" that day!
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: mw2016 on June 16, 2016, 10:45:21 AM
Quote from: St Ignatius
if you truly knew the internals of what happened back when Fr Pfeiffer was Prior, you wouldn't be quizzing me in this manner. And besides, look at the disaster at OLMC that has been accomplished by this duo, OLOS was just a dress rehearsal.

When I mentioned another party  (a certain priest who was in the know) I was only trying to substantiate what I had observed, in other words, it wasn't just a figment of my imagination.

By the way, just for some clarification from your part... was this arrest in regards to Pablo's beligirant interference with Bp Fellay?


I was there when Fr. Pfeiffer was prior.

The "internals of what happened," i.e. Fr. Pfeiffer's co-mingling of funds between the two parishes of Denver and Phoenix, is rather well known. I don't understand exactly what you think it is that Pablo did to contribute to that.

No, as far as I know Pablo's arrest did not have anything at all to do with Bp. Fellay.
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: mw2016 on June 16, 2016, 10:48:54 AM
Quote from: TheRealMcCoy
During a personal conversation with Hernandez several years ago he told me that he hates trads because +Fellay put him under interdict and wouldn't let his family step foot on SSPX property.  I don't know if this really happened but Hernandez did tell me this.  


I believe this.

I know him well enough, that between that and the arrest I can see why he would be pissed.

Wouldn't that make you mad too?

There are many people who have reported being tossed from SSPX parishes. Pablo is certainly not the first.
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: Matthew on June 16, 2016, 11:59:33 AM
Quote from: mw2016
Quote from: Matthew
Another quote from Pablo I heard first-hand (sent to me via e-mail):

"I will teach my children to beware of Trads first, and the devil second."


Once again, the hatred dripping from Pablo is almost palpable. And not just any hatred, but hatred towards who? The most devoted followers of Christ.

We're talking about Traditional Catholics!



Probably because years ago, a group of them conspired against him, made up some phony accusations and had him arrested.

The judge summarily dismissed it and called it the total B.S. that it was.


I don't believe, with Pablo, that Trads are so rotten that they get together and conspire against innocent Catholics just because they're so wicked.

THAT is ridiculous.

Now I do believe that individual Trads have serious issues -- psychological, personality, spiritual, and some of them are even "rotten" to use a common, earthy, imprecise term.

But I don't believe that groups get together in a conspiracy to slander something good, just for the sake of good old Satan. That is precisely what the SSPX used to say about the Resistance, remember!

When you're talking a GROUP getting together, starting something and drawing in a few others, etc. you'd have to either have some truth to go on, or you'd need someone as good at manipulating crowds as Adolf Hitler. Most Trads wouldn't qualify for that position.
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: TheRealMcCoy on June 16, 2016, 12:28:16 PM
Quote from: mw2016
Quote from: TheRealMcCoy
During a personal conversation with Hernandez several years ago he told me that he hates trads because +Fellay put him under interdict and wouldn't let his family step foot on SSPX property.  I don't know if this really happened but Hernandez did tell me this.  


I believe this.

I know him well enough, that between that and the arrest I can see why he would be pissed.

Wouldn't that make you mad too?

There are many people who have reported being tossed from SSPX parishes. Pablo is certainly not the first.


I've been maligned and mistreated by my own kin and didn't resort to violent hatred.  No, Hernandez is not a special snowflake who gets to smite traditional Catholics in the name of "Our Lady's Resistance". He's a big fat nothing in the grand scheme of things just like the rest of us.
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: wallflower on June 16, 2016, 01:11:33 PM
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During a personal conversation with Hernandez several years ago he told me that he hates trads because +Fellay put him under interdict and wouldn't let his family step foot on SSPX property.  I don't know if this really happened but Hernandez did tell me this.  


I believe this.

I know him well enough, that between that and the arrest I can see why he would be pissed.

Wouldn't that make you mad too?

There are many people who have reported being tossed from SSPX parishes. Pablo is certainly not the first.


I've been maligned and mistreated by my own kin and didn't resort to violent hatred.  No, Hernandez is not a special snowflake who gets to smite traditional Catholics in the name of "Our Lady's Resistance". He's a big fat nothing in the grand scheme of things just like the rest of us.


Yeah I was going to say, many of us have had serious problems with a trad here and there or even a priest here and there or even a clique. It's no excuse for hatred of the whole group.
 
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: Matthew on June 16, 2016, 01:21:59 PM
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Yeah I was going to say, many of us have had serious problems with a trad here and there or even a priest here and there or even a clique. It's no excuse for hatred of the whole group.


Indeed. That is like saying "I hate people" or "I hate men". It's simply too broad. Such a phrase merely demonstrates that a person is full of hatred.

What defines a "Trad Catholic"? A Catholic who is serious about keeping the Faith during the present apostasy/Crisis in the Church. A Catholic who leaves his local parish and seeks out traditionally-formed priests who says Mass in a pre-Vatican II manner and preaches the pre-Vatican II Catholic Faith.

How can you specifically hate this group of people? In terms of religion, this group of people is SECOND TO NONE among all such groups you could list! No matter how many bad apples you find in the bunch, what religious group are you going to prefer? Seriously!

I mean, are Baptists and Hindus no problem? You have no problem or prejudice against heretics, but right off the bat you are prejudiced against those darn faithful members of Christ's own Church!

That is extremely messed up.

It's like saying, "I hate people who try to be good. They're all a bunch of sinners and hypocrites!"

Yes...all men are sinners, and we all fall short of our lofty goals to try to be moral, upright, and good people. However, you can't hate "people who try to be good" too much, because they sure beat the alternative -- "those who have given themselves over to evil and don't even try to be good"!
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: mw2016 on June 16, 2016, 05:59:17 PM
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Another quote from Pablo I heard first-hand (sent to me via e-mail):

"I will teach my children to beware of Trads first, and the devil second."


Once again, the hatred dripping from Pablo is almost palpable. And not just any hatred, but hatred towards who? The most devoted followers of Christ.

We're talking about Traditional Catholics!



Probably because years ago, a group of them conspired against him, made up some phony accusations and had him arrested.

The judge summarily dismissed it and called it the total B.S. that it was.


I don't believe, with Pablo, that Trads are so rotten that they get together and conspire against innocent Catholics just because they're so wicked.

THAT is ridiculous.

Now I do believe that individual Trads have serious issues -- psychological, personality, spiritual, and some of them are even "rotten" to use a common, earthy, imprecise term.

But I don't believe that groups get together in a conspiracy to slander something good, just for the sake of good old Satan. That is precisely what the SSPX used to say about the Resistance, remember!

When you're talking a GROUP getting together, starting something and drawing in a few others, etc. you'd have to either have some truth to go on, or you'd need someone as good at manipulating crowds as Adolf Hitler. Most Trads wouldn't qualify for that position.


It's not ridiculous, it's what happened.

When I said group, I meant about a half-dozen or so.

No, no manipulation was required. I am sure they all sincerely believed they were doing the right thing at the time.

The charges were totally unrelated to anything at the Church.

I think they wanted him gone, and it just backfired, legally. Even though they eventually got him out anyway. And the priest(s) along with him.

Priests have been run out of parishes, too - not just individuals.

So, please - do not give some sort of special charism of "good behavior" to all Trads. They are all stained with Original Sin, as are we all here.
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: mw2016 on June 16, 2016, 06:09:39 PM
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Yeah I was going to say, many of us have had serious problems with a trad here and there or even a priest here and there or even a clique. It's no excuse for hatred of the whole group.



How can you specifically hate this group of people? In terms of religion, this group of people is SECOND TO NONE among all such groups you could list! No matter how many bad apples you find in the bunch, what religious group are you going to prefer? Seriously!

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You know, Doc White is famous for saying Trads are their own worst enemies and an awful group of misfits.

I don't really think Doc is wrong on that.

I've been all over to LOTS of parishes and it is usually quite a ragtag group of misfits.

That's just reality.

Phoenix's parish is a bit of an anomaly at the moment compared to its earlier years. It's more "camera-ready" than it ever was in the past.

But, we are talking about Pablo here and his use of the word hate. Pablo is known for his hyperbole, and so I think it should be taken with a grain of salt. He certainly has friends who are Catholics that he does not hate.
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: St Ignatius on June 16, 2016, 10:20:12 PM
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Yeah I was going to say, many of us have had serious problems with a trad here and there or even a priest here and there or even a clique. It's no excuse for hatred of the whole group.



How can you specifically hate this group of people? In terms of religion, this group of people is SECOND TO NONE among all such groups you could list! No matter how many bad apples you find in the bunch, what religious group are you going to prefer? Seriously!

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You know, Doc White is famous for saying Trads are their own worst enemies and an awful group of misfits.

I don't really think Doc is wrong on that.

I've been all over to LOTS of parishes and it is usually quite a ragtag group of misfits.

That's just reality.

Phoenix's parish is a bit of an anomaly at the moment compared to its earlier years. It's more "camera-ready" than it ever was in the past.

But, we are talking about Pablo here and his use of the word hate. Pablo is known for his hyperbole, and so I think it should be taken with a grain of salt. He certainly has friends who are Catholics that he does not hate.


Doc White?  I think you should address to the audience here who you are referring to properly. His name is... Dr. Allen White. The way you refer to him, makes me suspicious of you. If this makes no sense to you,  disregard what I say.
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: St Ignatius on June 16, 2016, 10:45:03 PM
Opps! Too late for edit... I meant Dr. David Allen White.
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: mw2016 on June 17, 2016, 12:46:30 AM
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Yeah I was going to say, many of us have had serious problems with a trad here and there or even a priest here and there or even a clique. It's no excuse for hatred of the whole group.



How can you specifically hate this group of people? In terms of religion, this group of people is SECOND TO NONE among all such groups you could list! No matter how many bad apples you find in the bunch, what religious group are you going to prefer? Seriously!

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You know, Doc White is famous for saying Trads are their own worst enemies and an awful group of misfits.

I don't really think Doc is wrong on that.

I've been all over to LOTS of parishes and it is usually quite a ragtag group of misfits.

That's just reality.

Phoenix's parish is a bit of an anomaly at the moment compared to its earlier years. It's more "camera-ready" than it ever was in the past.

But, we are talking about Pablo here and his use of the word hate. Pablo is known for his hyperbole, and so I think it should be taken with a grain of salt. He certainly has friends who are Catholics that he does not hate.


Doc White?  I think you should address to the audience here who you are referring to properly. His name is... Dr. Allen White. The way you refer to him, makes me suspicious of you. If this makes no sense to you,  disregard what I say.


Those who know him well address him by his nickname, and also have great respect and affection for him.

Doc's observation still stands, as you have just so aptly demonstrated.
Title: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: mw2016 on June 17, 2016, 12:48:44 AM
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Opps! Too late for edit... I meant Dr. David Allen White.


ROFL

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Title: Re: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: Matthew on March 12, 2019, 08:54:22 AM
Bump - a review of just how messed up Pablo is.

I had forgotten this gem:


Another quote from Pablo I heard first-hand (sent to me via e-mail):

"I will teach my children to beware of Trads first, and the devil second."


Once again, the hatred dripping from Pablo is almost palpable. And not just any hatred, but hatred towards who? The most devoted followers of Christ.

We're talking about Traditional Catholics!

The Catholic Faith is inherently Traditional, and the Conciliar religion is man made and bogus. So if life were fair, we would just be called Catholics.

But even if you grant Catholicism to a number of Conciliar Catholics of good will (who still have the Faith), nevertheless Traditional Catholics are the most Catholic, the cream of the crop if you will. They at least know the most about Christ, His Church, and are most fearless in how they follow him. They make the most sacrifices for Him.
Title: Re: If Pablo was given Truth Serum - Here are his Confessions
Post by: ManuelChavez on March 12, 2019, 08:57:24 PM
I forgot about this story. I don’t care much for the author, though; he is clearly an amateur.