Author Topic: If NO VOWS for SSPX Priests (Read 2139 times)

Viva Cristo Rey · « **on:** January 15, 2014, 05:49:00 PM »

It doesn't make sense. If the SSPX priests don't take vows of Obedience, chastity or Poverty, then how can they kick out Bishop Williamson and other priests????

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #1 on:** January 15, 2014, 05:54:54 PM »

How can a Traditional Catholic Priest be
Catholic and Traditional without taking vows
Of obedience, charity and chastity.

Sigismund · « **Reply #2 on:** January 15, 2014, 07:11:49 PM »

They are priests, so they are bound by the promises that all diocesan priests make. These are celibacy, obedience, and praying the Divine Office. Diocesan priests make no vows of poverty. They can own property and can even be wealthy if they inherit money or write a best seller or something.

The SSPX is a society of common life without vows. As I understand it, they are essentially diocesan priests who agree to live a community life. The are like the Oratorians in that regard.

1st Mansion Tenant · « **Reply #3 on:** January 15, 2014, 10:22:42 PM »

One SSPX priest told me that he was a 'secular' priest, and he took now vow of obedience. What is the difference between secular and other priests? And to echo the earlier post- how can they throw priests and bishops out for lack of obedience, if there is no vow of obedience?

Frances · « **Reply #4 on:** January 15, 2014, 11:40:47 PM »

:dancing-banana: :sad:

:really-mad2:
Bp. W. was in the way, so they cast him out. It had to do with politics and influence, not religious vows.

holysoulsacademy · « **Reply #5 on:** January 16, 2014, 12:25:29 AM »

Yes, many years ago an SSPX priest said the same - that SSPX priests are secular priests, and their formation was typically diocesan, even though they are not part of a particular diocese.
As for Bp. W and other priests being kicked out - I honestly have no clue as to how this is possible.
One would have to get into the details of SSPX rules, by-laws, etc.
:reading:

poche · « **Reply #6 on:** January 16, 2014, 12:52:43 AM »

Here is a parallel situation. The maryknollers are a society of apostolic life without vows much like the SSPX. Fr Bourgois attended what was purported to be a women's ordination ceremony. Eventually he was suspended, excommunicated, and then finally expelled from the society at the behest of the Vatican.

Ambrose · « **Reply #7 on:** January 16, 2014, 01:04:39 AM »

Quote from: 1st Mansion Tenant

One SSPX priest told me that he was a 'secular' priest, and he took now vow of obedience. What is the difference between secular and other priests? And to echo the earlier post- how can they throw priests and bishops out for lack of obedience, if there is no vow of obedience?

This article will explain Secular Clergy, found HERE

Viva Cristo Rey · « **Reply #8 on:** January 16, 2014, 09:49:15 PM »

I took vows of marriage. I think vows are holy. Priests. Especially traditional Priests and Nuns should take vows of poverty, chastity and obedience.

And the Oath against Modernism.

Sigismund · « **Reply #9 on:** January 17, 2014, 09:33:29 PM »

Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey

I took vows of marriage. I think vows are holy. Priests. Especially traditional Priests and Nuns should take vows of poverty, chastity and obedience.

And the Oath against Modernism.

Religious priests do. There is no historical reason for secular priests to take those specific vows.

Charlotte NC Bill · « **Reply #10 on:** January 18, 2014, 08:39:28 PM »

Bp williamson had to be kicked out because:
1. the recent financial benefactors of the SSPX ( the Gutman family's Jaidhoffer Found with zionist Max Krah as the immediate controller of the money spigot.) wanted him gone.
2. He was an obstacle to the sell-out that Menzingen is now doing it's best to prove it never intended to follow-through on..( regardless of Bp Fellay's signature on the dotted line.)
3. Bp Williamson speaks truth to Power and Power doesn't like it. :geezer: